SnailD's Throttle Table Fix

[pfp22972]

@snailD - No worries at all, good sir. APP changes can make a noticeable difference. The APP differences between your two sets were significant enough to make the two choices feel different even if the DBW tables were similar so I didn't really examine the two tables very closely. I still preferred the aggressive set and just started working with the APP tables to tone it down to my liking.

I do have one question, however. Bucker's ATR guide suggests changing all the 80 values in the DBW tables to 90. Have you tried that on these tables? I haven't tried that yet but I may this weekend. My car runs so well with your current DBW tables that I am hesitant to alter them.

BTW...I went to the Austin F1 race last year. It was so amazing! I will have to upload some of my videos. I so want to get my car on that track! I have had my car on Texas Motor Speedway, but only for charity and everyone had to stay below 30. I did do a ride along out there a few years ago. 170 around the turns there is a very weird sensation!

@El Beaner - Ah...XDA Developers! I used to spend so much time on that site back in the early Windows Mobile days.

Thanks again @snailD for all your work. If you do ever make it to DFW, I'll meet up with your and El Beaner.

[jrotaryb]

Originally Posted by The Nut Let us know what you think.

This may be a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway - better safe than sorry!

I should still be able to use these tables without incident if my tuner is limiting the throttle plate in a few areas to control load, right? I don't want to screw up his map...

Thanks!

[pfp22972]

Originally Posted by jrotaryb This may be a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway - better safe than sorry! I should still be able to use these tables without incident if my tuner is limiting the throttle plate in a few areas to control load, right? I don't want to screw up his map... Thanks!

If Rfinkle is your tuner, as your signature suggests, he is one of the most knowledgeable people in this forum and should be able to answer that question.

I really like how my throttle behaves with the agressive DBW table, along with my own APP table. When I finally get an e-tune, I will be asking my tuner to incorporate these settings.

[El Beaner]

Wow, what a difference the new DBW tables made. From a stop to get going in first is much easier now and doesn't feel like it wants to take off on me. Much easier to control. Power is there in all the gears when you command it but no where near as soon as the aggressive tables.

I updated the Stage 1 OTS map along with the Stage 1 CS sri+tih map. Have 4 of each

SnailD relaxed
SnailD relaxed + pfp's APP
SnailD Aggressive
SnailD Aggressive + pfp's APP

Right now driving with Snails relaxed(post thread update) and and so far it is my favorite of all the iterations I've done(pre update).

So in regards to APP settings, the lower the figure the more you have to press to get it to respond, is that correct? Or is it the opposite - the lower the figure the less you have to press?

[pfp22972]

Originally Posted by El Beaner Wow, what a difference the new DBW tables made. From a stop to get going in first is much easier now and doesn't feel like it wants to take off on me. Much easier to control. Power is there in all the gears when you command it but no where near as soon as the aggressive tables. I updated the Stage 1 OTS map along with the Stage 1 CS sri+tih map. Have 4 of each SnailD relaxed SnailD relaxed + pfp's APP SnailD Aggressive SnailD Aggressive + pfp's APP Right now driving with Snails relaxed(post thread update) and and so far it is my favorite of all the iterations I've done(pre update). So in regards to APP settings, the lower the figure the more you have to press to get it to respond, is that correct? Or is it the opposite - the lower the figure the less you have to press?

I looked at my excel sheet. I copied snailD's relaxed APP table and multiplied it by .09, reducing the values throughout the range. This made my APP table more sensitive than his relaxed set, but not as hyper as his aggressive set. So, in my mind, reducing the values across the board would give quicker pedal response. Increasing the values would require more pedal pressure to acheive the same responses.

[pfp22972]

Originally Posted by El Beaner Wow, what a difference the new DBW tables made. From a stop to get going in first is much easier now and doesn't feel like it wants to take off on me. Much easier to control. Power is there in all the gears when you command it but no where near as soon as the aggressive tables. I updated the Stage 1 OTS map along with the Stage 1 CS sri+tih map. Have 4 of each SnailD relaxed SnailD relaxed + pfp's APP SnailD Aggressive SnailD Aggressive + pfp's APP Right now driving with Snails relaxed(post thread update) and and so far it is my favorite of all the iterations I've done(pre update). So in regards to APP settings, the lower the figure the more you have to press to get it to respond, is that correct? Or is it the opposite - the lower the figure the less you have to press?

I personally like the way my engine acts with the agressive DBW tables, but i do like the very light pedal application required with the agressive APP tables. The OTS and snailD's relaxed APP tables required too much pedal pressure for me .So, I left the DBW table alone and began to work solely on the APP tables.

This might make the APP tables easier to understand. If you were to make a graph using 1 - 20 (representing the 20 cells of APP values) on the Y axis, and 0 - 100 (representing the amount of pedal pressure applied) on the X axis, it would look just like the movement of the gas pedal on the car. You could, in theory, start with larger values in the first few cells and arc them toward 100 through the remainder of the cells so that your pedal requires more initial pressure to acheive the desired pedal pressure results. Or, lower initial values for more sudden pedal response. Once you are satisfied, you can load the values into your APP tables and see how it feels.

I hope this helps.

[swsmailman]

Ok, sweet, I think I am finally not confused and I am about to update the Map that I have with this on it.

Thanks for all the work everyone.

[jrotaryb]

Originally Posted by pfp22972 If Rfinkle is your tuner, as your signature suggests, he is one of the most knowledgeable people in this forum and should be able to answer that question. I really like how my throttle behaves with the agressive DBW table, along with my own APP table. When I finally get an e-tune, I will be asking my tuner to incorporate these settings.

I PM'd him earlier

[pfp22972]

Originally Posted by jrotaryb I PM'd him earlier

If you could let me know what he thinks I would appreciate it.



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[jrotaryb]

Originally Posted by pfp22972 If you could let me know what he thinks I would appreciate it. Sent from somewhere...but not here.

Sure thing - I'm sure the poor guy has a full inbox...the price you pay for being as smart/generous of a guy as Rob is.

[pfp22972]

Originally Posted by jrotaryb Sure thing - I'm sure the poor guy has a full inbox...the price you pay for being as smart/generous of a guy as Rob is.

That, my friend, is a very true statement.



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[snailD]

Originally Posted by jrotaryb This may be a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway - better safe than sorry! I should still be able to use these tables without incident if my tuner is limiting the throttle plate in a few areas to control load, right? I don't want to screw up his map... Thanks!

if you leave the cells in the 1.5-2.0 load region the same as your tuner has it things wont change. copy and past the whole file over into DBW A, then go into dbw B and copy 1.5-2.0 load cells and paste them into at at 1.5 load back in A. then blend them with interpolation vertical (highlight and right click). now copy that whole table and paste it into B and C

[El Beaner]

Ran a 4th gear log today using SnailD's relaxed throttle tables/APP

Can anyone tell me if they see anything wrong - I saw a little KR at the beginning and then around 5k rpm but not sure if that was attributed to the road or another issue.

[iammike]

Color me completely confused still. I had copied all the tables, aggressive and mile, to Google Docs after Snail made the corrections awhile back.

I just went back and grabbed them again to make sure I had the correct ones. The mild tables in the OP currently did not match what I had for aggressive or mild previously. The ones in the OP at the moment, for example, have an APP table that lands in between the aggressive and the mild I had copied before.

Oh well, going to toss the new OP mild on the car tomorrow and see how it feels.

[El Beaner]

Originally Posted by iammike Color me completely confused still. I had copied all the tables, aggressive and mile, to Google Docs after Snail made the corrections awhile back. I just went back and grabbed them again to make sure I had the correct ones. The mild tables in the OP currently did not match what I had for aggressive or mild previously. The ones in the OP at the moment, for example, have an APP table that lands in between the aggressive and the mild I had copied before. Oh well, going to toss the new OP mild on the car tomorrow and see how it feels.

Yeah the app table he used to have in page 2 for the relaxed model was quite different from what it was before. It works great though. I enjoyed it today.

[iammike]

Well I'll be giving it a spin tomorrow. I really enjoyed what I had from him before as the mild build. Gonna try this one though. Who knows.

[The Nut]

Originally Posted by iammike Color me completely confused still. I had copied all the tables, aggressive and mile, to Google Docs after Snail made the corrections awhile back. I just went back and grabbed them again to make sure I had the correct ones. The mild tables in the OP currently did not match what I had for aggressive or mild previously. The ones in the OP at the moment, for example, have an APP table that lands in between the aggressive and the mild I had copied before. Oh well, going to toss the new OP mild on the car tomorrow and see how it feels.

Noticed that too.

[BAT-man]

I toned down the "soft" map in the first page, and it's better now, but still find myself boosting all over the place. I'm not sure what affects this phenomena more - the APP or the DWB table.... I agree with the APP being a completely linear function, more or less like a normal throttle body would be, so perhaps it's the DWB table that needs to be even more tuned down.

TBH, I'm more worried about heel-and-toeing than regular driving around, as the throttle is much harder to modulate when you're working the brakes with the same foot, and a very progressive throttle could make for a diaper-bound experience.

[El Beaner]

Originally Posted by BAT-man I toned down the "soft" map in the first page, and it's better now, but still find myself boosting all over the place. I'm not sure what affects this phenomena more - the APP or the DWB table.... I agree with the APP being a completely linear function, more or less like a normal throttle body would be, so perhaps it's the DWB table that needs to be even more tuned down. TBH, I'm more worried about heel-and-toeing than regular driving around, as the throttle is much harder to modulate when you're working the brakes with the same foot, and a very progressive throttle could make for a diaper-bound experience.

I wonder if anyone has tried just updating the APP on a stock OTS map and seeing what the difference was. Would it have much if any affect?

After looking at my 4th gear log more, I notice that my pedal poistion is 60% and I am at WOT (throttle position - 76% already) Not sure if that could pose issues. Once I get my intake, I am going to do a Freek OTS tune and hopefully it has ok throttle response.

[pfp22972]

Originally Posted by BAT-man I toned down the "soft" map in the first page, and it's better now, but still find myself boosting all over the place. I'm not sure what affects this phenomena more - the APP or the DWB table.... I agree with the APP being a completely linear function, more or less like a normal throttle body would be, so perhaps it's the DWB table that needs to be even more tuned down. TBH, I'm more worried about heel-and-toeing than regular driving around, as the throttle is much harder to modulate when you're working the brakes with the same foot, and a very progressive throttle could make for a diaper-bound experience.

Have you tried smoothing out your boost target tables? This helped the way my boost hits. It still hits hard but not as violently.

First, I would suggest using snailD's relaxed DBW table. It is supposed to be similar to stock without the "wall." Second, I would take snailD's relaxed APP table, put it in excel, and multiply the entire table by 1.5, except for 0 and 100. Or, perhaps just multiply against the first 5 or 6 cell. This should result in a need for more pedal pressure to accelerate, either through the full range or just initially. You can experiment with the multiplier to get your desired feel. That's what I did.



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[snailD]

Originally Posted by BAT-man I toned down the "soft" map in the first page, and it's better now, but still find myself boosting all over the place. I'm not sure what affects this phenomena more - the APP or the DWB table.... I agree with the APP being a completely linear function, more or less like a normal throttle body would be, so perhaps it's the DWB table that needs to be even more tuned down. TBH, I'm more worried about heel-and-toeing than regular driving around, as the throttle is much harder to modulate when you're working the brakes with the same foot, and a very progressive throttle could make for a diaper-bound experience.

if you like the cobb values you should just run them. i made these mostly for myself and figured i would share. these arent better than the stock/cobb values unless you like them more, its just a different throttle feel.

the app is like a percentage of the dbw. if u stopped the app at 10% the car wouldnt go anywhere because the ecu would say the pedal is only at 10% when it was really wide open. the dbw table is what is actually telling the tb what to do, the app is the direct pedal to dbw relationship

[El Beaner]

Originally Posted by snailD if you like the cobb values you should just run them. i made these mostly for myself and figured i would share. these arent better than the stock/cobb values unless you like them more, its just a different throttle feel. the app is like a percentage of the dbw. if u stopped the app at 10% the car wouldnt go anywhere because the ecu would say the pedal is only at 10% when it was really wide open. the dbw table is what is actually telling the tb what to do, the app is the direct pedal to dbw relationship

Quick question, on your relaxed DBW table, I was looking it over and the numbers are always increasing from left to right and then down except one spot.

5th row down, it goes 3.96 for columns 1-4, then 4.08, then 4.20 then back to 4.00 for columns 7-10 and then start of row 6 is 4.5

Not sure if that is intentional or something that should not be there - on your aggressive table it happens more throughout in the first 7 rows as well.

[pfp22972]

Originally Posted by snailD if you like the cobb values you should just run them. i made these mostly for myself and figured i would share. these arent better than the stock/cobb values unless you like them more, its just a different throttle feel. the app is like a percentage of the dbw. if u stopped the app at 10% the car wouldnt go anywhere because the ecu would say the pedal is only at 10% when it was really wide open. the dbw table is what is actually telling the tb what to do, the app is the direct pedal to dbw relationship

You posted the original table so long ago. It's interesting how it a has become big topic again.



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[El Beaner]

Originally Posted by pfp22972 You posted the original table so long ago. It's interesting how it a has become big topic again. Sent from somewhere...but not here.

My fault lol - I started messing around with ATR and another DFW NATOR mentioned this thread and well, here we are.

[pfp22972]

Originally Posted by El Beaner My fault lol - I started messing around with ATR and another DFW NATOR mentioned this thread and well, here we are.

I think it has more to do with all the great help provided in this forum has given people more confidence it tinkering with ATR rather than relying on others.



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[BAT-man]

Originally Posted by snailD if you like the cobb values you should just run them. i made these mostly for myself and figured i would share. these arent better than the stock/cobb values unless you like them more, its just a different throttle feel. the app is like a percentage of the dbw. if u stopped the app at 10% the car wouldnt go anywhere because the ecu would say the pedal is only at 10% when it was really wide open. the dbw table is what is actually telling the tb what to do, the app is the direct pedal to dbw relationship

Oh no no, the COBB map looked like a very odd mountain range, the top of which resembled a plane crash aftermath. That stuff was whack.

I like your maps and I'm just saying I will need to adjust them a bit for my driving style. You did great work and now folks can use a great base to adapt into their maps and adjust as necessary. Many many thanks, btw.

[iammike]

Ok, so I do like the "new" mild APP tables a little more. Gives a little more pep right at tip in then acts just like it used to.

[BAT-man]

So, not for nothing but here is my version of snailD's "relaxed" DBW Table, a bit smoothed out:

0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
1.50	1.50	1.50	1.50	1.50	1.75	2.00	2.00	2.00	2.00	2.00	2.00	2.00	2.00	2.00
2.25	2.25	2.25	2.25	2.50	3.00	3.00	3.00	3.00	3.00	3.00	3.00	3.00	3.00	3.00
3.25	3.25	3.25	3.25	3.50	4.00	4.00	4.00	4.00	4.00	4.00	4.00	4.00	4.00	4.00
4.50	4.50	4.50	4.50	4.75	5.25	5.25	5.25	5.25	5.25	5.25	5.25	5.25	5.25	5.25
5.75	5.75	5.75	5.75	6.25	6.75	6.75	6.75	6.75	6.75	6.75	6.75	6.75	6.75	6.75
6.75	6.75	6.75	6.75	7.25	8.25	8.25	8.25	8.25	8.25	8.25	8.25	8.25	8.25	8.25
8.25	8.25	8.25	8.25	8.75	9.75	9.75	9.75	9.75	9.75	9.75	9.75	9.75	9.75	9.75
10.00	10.00	10.00	10.00	10.50	11.50	11.50	11.50	11.50	11.50	11.50	11.50	11.50	11.50	11.50
11.50	11.50	11.50	11.50	12.50	13.00	13.00	13.00	13.00	13.00	13.00	13.00	13.00	13.00	13.00
13.50	13.50	13.50	13.50	14.50	15.00	15.00	15.00	15.00	15.00	15.00	15.00	15.00	15.00	15.00
15.50	15.50	15.50	15.50	16.00	16.75	16.75	16.75	16.75	16.75	16.75	16.75	16.75	16.75	16.75
17.50	17.50	17.50	17.50	18.00	19.00	19.00	19.00	19.00	19.00	19.00	19.00	19.00	19.00	19.00
21.00	21.00	21.00	21.00	21.50	22.50	22.50	22.50	22.50	22.50	22.50	22.50	22.50	22.50	22.50
25.00	25.00	25.00	25.00	26.25	27.00	27.00	27.00	27.00	27.00	27.00	27.00	27.00	27.00	27.00
29.50	29.50	29.50	29.50	31.00	32.00	32.00	32.00	32.00	32.00	32.00	32.00	32.00	32.00	32.00
34.50	34.50	34.50	34.50	36.00	37.00	37.00	37.00	37.00	37.00	37.00	37.00	37.00	37.00	37.00
39.50	39.50	39.50	39.50	41.00	42.00	42.00	42.00	42.00	42.00	42.00	42.00	42.00	42.00	42.00
44.50	44.50	44.50	44.50	46.00	47.50	47.50	47.50	47.50	47.50	47.50	47.50	47.50	47.50	47.50
49.50	49.50	49.50	49.50	51.50	53.00	53.00	53.00	53.00	53.00	53.00	53.00	53.00	53.00	53.00
54.50	54.50	54.50	54.50	56.50	58.50	58.50	58.50	58.50	58.50	58.50	58.50	58.50	58.50	58.50
59.00	59.00	59.00	59.00	61.50	64.00	64.00	64.00	64.00	64.00	64.00	64.00	64.00	64.00	64.00
64.00	64.00	64.00	64.00	66.50	69.00	69.00	69.00	69.00	69.00	69.00	69.00	69.00	69.00	69.00
69.00	69.00	69.00	69.00	71.00	73.00	73.00	73.00	73.00	73.00	73.00	73.00	73.00	73.00	73.00
72.50	72.50	72.50	72.50	74.50	76.00	76.00	76.00	76.00	76.00	76.00	76.00	76.00	76.00	76.00
74.00	74.00	74.00	74.00	76.00	78.00	78.00	78.00	78.00	78.00	78.00	78.00	78.00	78.00	78.00
74.00	74.00	74.00	74.00	77.00	79.00	79.00	79.00	79.00	79.00	79.00	79.00	79.00	79.00	79.00
74.00	74.00	74.00	74.00	77.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00
74.00	74.00	74.00	74.00	77.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00
74.00	74.00	74.00	74.00	77.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00
74.00	74.00	74.00	74.00	77.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00
74.00	74.00	74.00	74.00	77.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00	80.00

I left the APP tables alone for now, as I'm not exactly sure I need to change them.

I've played with the boost tables a bit of course, to make sure my WGDC isn't ramping up too quickly.

One thing I noticed was the APP Translation - Speed Comp table. For some reason, even the stock map has it set up so that it targets a multiple of the requested boost, based on speed and throttle position, up to 130% at low APP (up and down is APP, left to right is speed in mph, 0 to 49):

1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30
1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30
1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30	1.30
1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20	1.20
1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10	1.10
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00

Does anyone know why? Was this made for spoolup?

Below is DBW table graph pic:

[El Beaner]

Originally Posted by BAT-man So, not for nothing but here is my version of snailD's "relaxed" DBW Table, a bit smoothed out: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.50 1.50 1.50 1.50 1.50 1.75 2.00 2.00 2.00 2.00 2.00 2.00 2.00 2.00 2.00 2.25 2.25 2.25 2.25 2.50 3.00 3.00 3.00 3.00 3.00 3.00 3.00 3.00 3.00 3.00 3.25 3.25 3.25 3.25 3.50 4.00 4.00 4.00 4.00 4.00 4.00 4.00 4.00 4.00 4.00 4.50 4.50 4.50 4.50 4.75 5.25 5.25 5.25 5.25 5.25 5.25 5.25 5.25 5.25 5.25 5.75 5.75 5.75 5.75 6.25 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 6.75 7.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.25 8.75 9.75 9.75 9.75 9.75 9.75 9.75 9.75 9.75 9.75 9.75 10.00 10.00 10.00 10.00 10.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 11.50 12.50 13.00 13.00 13.00 13.00 13.00 13.00 13.00 13.00 13.00 13.00 13.50 13.50 13.50 13.50 14.50 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.50 15.50 15.50 15.50 16.00 16.75 16.75 16.75 16.75 16.75 16.75 16.75 16.75 16.75 16.75 17.50 17.50 17.50 17.50 18.00 19.00 19.00 19.00 19.00 19.00 19.00 19.00 19.00 19.00 19.00 21.00 21.00 21.00 21.00 21.50 22.50 22.50 22.50 22.50 22.50 22.50 22.50 22.50 22.50 22.50 25.00 25.00 25.00 25.00 26.25 27.00 27.00 27.00 27.00 27.00 27.00 27.00 27.00 27.00 27.00 29.50 29.50 29.50 29.50 31.00 32.00 32.00 32.00 32.00 32.00 32.00 32.00 32.00 32.00 32.00 34.50 34.50 34.50 34.50 36.00 37.00 37.00 37.00 37.00 37.00 37.00 37.00 37.00 37.00 37.00 39.50 39.50 39.50 39.50 41.00 42.00 42.00 42.00 42.00 42.00 42.00 42.00 42.00 42.00 42.00 44.50 44.50 44.50 44.50 46.00 47.50 47.50 47.50 47.50 47.50 47.50 47.50 47.50 47.50 47.50 49.50 49.50 49.50 49.50 51.50 53.00 53.00 53.00 53.00 53.00 53.00 53.00 53.00 53.00 53.00 54.50 54.50 54.50 54.50 56.50 58.50 58.50 58.50 58.50 58.50 58.50 58.50 58.50 58.50 58.50 59.00 59.00 59.00 59.00 61.50 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 64.00 66.50 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 69.00 71.00 73.00 73.00 73.00 73.00 73.00 73.00 73.00 73.00 73.00 73.00 72.50 72.50 72.50 72.50 74.50 76.00 76.00 76.00 76.00 76.00 76.00 76.00 76.00 76.00 76.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 76.00 78.00 78.00 78.00 78.00 78.00 78.00 78.00 78.00 78.00 78.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 77.00 79.00 79.00 79.00 79.00 79.00 79.00 79.00 79.00 79.00 79.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 77.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 77.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 77.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 77.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 74.00 77.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 80.00 I left the APP tables alone for now, as I'm not exactly sure I need to change them. I've played with the boost tables a bit of course, to make sure my WGDC isn't ramping up too quickly. One thing I noticed was the APP Translation - Speed Comp table. For some reason, even the stock map has it set up so that it targets a multiple of the requested boost, based on speed and throttle position, up to 130% at low APP (up and down is APP, left to right is speed in mph, 0 to 49): 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.30 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.10 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 Does anyone know why? Was this made for spoolup? EDIT: Sorry I don't know how to post proper tables.

Fixes so people can copy and paste. All you have to do is use the word code in brackets.

[jambisgone696]

@snailD loaded it in my speed6 this afternoon and love it!!!!!

Thanks again!!!!

[BAT-man]

Is anyone experiencing more KR with the throttle map update, or did I just get a really bad tank of gas? I know it doesn't make sense, since all it is, is opening the throttle more or less aggressively but... No other changes except this were made, so I gotta ask. Feel free to flame =\

[pfp22972]

Originally Posted by BAT-man Is anyone experiencing more KR with the throttle map update, or did I just get a really bad tank of gas? I know it doesn't make sense, since all it is, is opening the throttle more or less aggressively but... No other changes except this were made, so I gotta ask. Feel free to flame =\

My car is running very well. No KRs. I am using the aggressive DBW tables with a modified version of the relaxed APP tables.



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[snailD]

Originally Posted by BAT-man Is anyone experiencing more KR with the throttle map update, or did I just get a really bad tank of gas? I know it doesn't make sense, since all it is, is opening the throttle more or less aggressively but... No other changes except this were made, so I gotta ask. Feel free to flame =\

once again this will have zero effect on kr, it merely changes throttle input. so it may have you drive slightly different which could be putting more load on the motor in certain ranges but that is purely speculative

[BAT-man]

Yeh.... I figured. I'm grasping at straws here, gonna have to revisit all maps and check sensors.

[El Beaner]

Originally Posted by snailD once again this will have zero effect on kr, it merely changes throttle input. so it may have you drive slightly different which could be putting more load on the motor in certain ranges but that is purely speculative

Well to test I switched to the stock OTS Cobb CS SRI+TIH map for yesterday. Now the load situation could be teh cause of it cause with your throttle I am definitely building boost much faster than the stock OTS map.

Driving to and from work, same route and similar driving habits, with your throttle table I would see KR in 1st and 2nd gear at times in the 1.5-2 range but that was just normal driving and a peak of 3.5 during a right hand turn(TCS and SWAS not disabled - could have been the cause of the higher number). At WOT I would not see those KR numbers.

With the stock OTS map, highest KR I saw driving around was .89 and I did see a 1.69 while making a right hand turn in second gear(did not have TCS or SWAS disabled so both could have been the cause).

This probably won't matter either but highest boost I would see at WOT in 3rd/4th was around 16.2psi and with the stock OTS I hit 17.05psi today(which is a first for me seeing boost in the 17 range).

[snailD]

Originally Posted by El Beaner Well to test I switched to the stock OTS Cobb CS SRI+TIH map for yesterday. Now the load situation could be teh cause of it cause with your throttle I am definitely building boost much faster than the stock OTS map. Driving to and from work, same route and similar driving habits, with your throttle table I would see KR in 1st and 2nd gear at times in the 1.5-2 range but that was just normal driving and a peak of 3.5 during a right hand turn(TCS and SWAS not disabled - could have been the cause of the higher number). At WOT I would not see those KR numbers. With the stock OTS map, highest KR I saw driving around was .89 and I did see a 1.69 while making a right hand turn in second gear(did not have TCS or SWAS disabled so both could have been the cause). This probably won't matter either but highest boost I would see at WOT in 3rd/4th was around 16.2psi and with the stock OTS I hit 17.05psi today(which is a first for me seeing boost in the 17 range).

yes that it all YOUR driving style, which may have changed due to the throttle tables being different

[torquemaniac]

Those DBW and APP tables are like ice cream in summer : soooooooo nice

I was a bit hesitant to play with the DBW and APP tables because my APP redaing are fucked (I have a reading of 31% at idle, and a max of 76% at WOT)...but I loaded this on my CX-7, and it feels like the beast came to life!!!

Just made a small change to the 1st gear APP table (its funny to see how wicked the CX-7 tuning is : gear 1-2-4-5-6 APP are all the same, but 3rd gear APP is a lot more softer)

[portetra000]

I know I'm stirring the old thread pot here but this should be a sticky in both the gen1 and 2 tuning forums. I'm currently running stage 2 cobb ots and had the same issues alot of other people had with that map underboosting like crazy. Im sure it had something to do with me bumping the wastegate table a bit but this throttle table fixed everything I hate about the stage 2 map in terms of mushiness.
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[Raider]

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