We've been working on sumtin... manifold

[Vansquish]

I assume it also increases the likelihood of being able to use FoST intercoolers as well, no?

[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by Spectrix Focus ST Intake Manifold flow bench tested: Runner 1) 331 CFM Runner 2) 336 CFM Runner 3) 329 CFM Runner 4) 337 CFM Total) 1333 CFM ~2% flow imbalance Mazdaspeed Intake Manifold: Runner 1) 199 Runner 2) 235 Runner 3) 233 Runner 4) 192 Total) 859 CFM ~20% flow imbalance Will the Focus ST plastic manifold go bang under boost?: Realistically, probably not. Pressure tested to 27PSI[/URL] on an ST head, which turned out to be the static float point of the stock intake valves (point at which the head leaks boost into the cylinder): https://www.youtube.com/embed/0A00YmHuooA Pressure tested to 110 PSI on it's own which only resulted in blowing couplers. https://www.youtube.com/embed/_uZGSsZH7YE Edit: Food for thought: TL;DR: Can't argue with hard data, that plastic manifold is legit. -

Are these numbers your data or from the focus forums?

[Spectrix]

Originally Posted by WetzMS3 Are these numbers your data or from the focus forums?

Nooo. was reading a great thread on the ST forums about the EB Focus manifold with heaps of Data: Stock Intake Manifold Flow Data

[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by Spectrix Nooo. was reading a great thread on the ST forums about the EB Focus manifold with heaps of Data: Stock Intake Manifold Flow Data

I thought they looked familiar. Just was curious.

[Mazdazilla6]

Originally Posted by Lex There are a lot of similarities between the ST and DISI ...

So much this it's not even funny. Ford changed so little it's hilarious.

[TiGraySpeed6]

This is for the focus st ecoboost right? 2.0 litre? Say, from 2014-2016 isn't it?

not that I'm perusing eBay or anything. ....

[AwAfrican]

Originally Posted by TiGraySpeed6 This is for the focus st ecoboost right? 2.0 litre? Say, from 2014-2016 isn't it? not that I'm perusing eBay or anything. ....

Possibly, but damond could be making a slightly modified one so it actually fits nicely for us...

[Gerbilo]

Originally Posted by TiGraySpeed6 This is for the focus st ecoboost right? 2.0 litre? Say, from 2014-2016 isn't it? not that I'm perusing eBay or anything. ....

Ecoboost 2.0 from the Focus ST(the other ecoboost 2.0s could share an identical manifold, I'm just not sure.) 2013-2016+ They did a slight refresh for 2015-16. Not sure how much mechanically was involved or if it was more of an aesthetics thing. I'm thinking the ECU/tune was changed a little(due to a misfire issue only 15+ are having), but I doubt the intake manifold.

[faeker]

Originally Posted by TiGraySpeed6 This is for the focus st ecoboost right? 2.0 litre? Say, from 2014-2016 isn't it? not that I'm perusing eBay or anything. ....

I have a 2014 EB manifold. It's said to fit all them.

Originally Posted by LittleredMPS Damn. Now this has potential. Really want this to happen.

it is happening

[Yatta]

I will just leave this here:

[faeker]

it's a foST. what about it.

[ryguy 3]

Originally Posted by faeker it's a foST. what about it.

On the bottom of the pic it's stamped "land rover"

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[AwAfrican]

Originally Posted by Yatta I will just leave this here:

That's not a speed bay

[Vansquish]

Yeah...so?

It's fairly well-known in the industry that the Evoque uses the 2.0L Ecoboost.

[ryguy 3]

Originally Posted by AwAfrican That's not a speed bay

It means there's more vehicles to scavenge the plastic intake manifold from, so that's a plus.

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[MS3Shadow]

There's a lot of vehicles that use Ecoboost. They may also use the (ST) manifold.

sent from my Nexus 6P

[Yatta]

Originally Posted by Vansquish Yeah...so? It's fairly well-known in the industry that the Evoque uses the 2.0L Ecoboost.

earlier in the thread it was mentioned that any eco-boost would/could be made to work, some are better than others to start with, no symposer (no flow tests either but designs are similar) I can’t find the part number but they vary from mondeo, to escape/edge. to S60, to Evoque, the Evoque part looks to have more volume in the the runners as well. Finding a picture of them side by side would be good...

[Spectrix]

Ahem...

[WetzMS3]

You are missing a very critical piece.

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by Spectrix Ahem...

Well, that one will SUREly leak like a sieve...

[faeker]

Originally Posted by ryguy 3 On the bottom of the pic it's stamped "land rover" Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk

holy shit. good catch dude. I didn't see the whole pic.

[Gswin10Spd3]

Originally Posted by Voltwings i'm still wanting to use my TMIC as well, but I imagine its nothing just a 180* intercooler pipe and some couplers cant fix.

I too believe this would be all that is needed to fit a TMIC. Various forms of the 2.0 Ecoboost manifold can be found for less than $100 bucks. This may very well be on my list of to-do mods in the future. In fact my wife drive a 2013 Fusion 2.0 Ecoboost, wonder if she would mind if it used her IM for awhile lol.

Edit - Upon some google-fu'ing I found this previous thread and it appears this isn't a direct bolt, however a machined adapter plate looks to be all that might be needed to make this a bolt-on part.

[Code Monkey]

I wonder if with this mani we could run a blow-through setup, assuming the piping to the TB can be a slightly longer straight piece....

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by Gswin10Spd3 I too believe this would be all that is needed to fit a TMIC. Various forms of the 2.0 Ecoboost manifold can be found for less than $100 bucks. This may very well be on my list of to-do mods in the future. In fact my wife drive a 2013 Fusion 2.0 Ecoboost, wonder if she would mind if it used her IM for awhile lol. Edit - Upon some google-fu'ing I found this previous thread and it appears this isn't a direct bolt, however a machined adapter plate looks to be all that might be needed to make this a bolt-on part.

Yep, and that machined adapter plate would (potentially) allow us to run any number of port-injection meth/aux fueling systems that are readily available from speedperf6rmanc3, BREEDT, Boomba, etc.

[Voltwings]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey I wonder if with this mani we could run a blow-through setup, assuming the piping to the TB can be a slightly longer straight piece....

Yes, just a 180 around the radiator, then a 90* straight up to the throttle body. Same as the LNF cobalt SS engines when they go blow through.

Your setup would be tricky though since both your inlet and outlet are on the top. Clock the turbo over and flip the intercooler over and have the hot pipe go under the car?

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by Voltwings Clock the turbo over and flip the intercooler over and have the hot pipe go under the car?

With the transfer case in the way? Nice try.

[AwAfrican]

Originally Posted by Vansquish Yep, and that machined adapter plate would (potentially) allow us to run any number of port-injection meth/aux fueling systems that are readily available from speedperf6rmanc3, BREEDT, Boomba, etc.

Mmm moar fuel!

[nindoja]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey With the transfer case in the way? Nice try.

this made me laugh way more than it should have given the number of times the transfer case has hosed me on my 6.

[Voltwings]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey With the transfer case in the way? Nice try.

Lol oh yeah. AWD FTL

[MD1032]

So yeah, my wishlist:

1) TMIC support
2) SFI with ability to control the relative pulse width of each individual injector (allows balancing fueling to the whole system if you have EGT/O2 sensor data for each runner on the EM)

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey With the transfer case in the way? Nice try.

I'm very curious how they managed it with the Focus RS. The engine and transmission are mounted in roughly the same fashion as in the MS6, so there's a pretty good chance they had to get creative to maneuver the intercooler piping beneath motor.

[Mazdazilla6]

Originally Posted by Vansquish I'm very curious how they managed it with the Focus RS. The engine and transmission are mounted in roughly the same fashion as in the MS6, so there's a pretty good chance they had to get creative to maneuver the intercooler piping beneath motor.

Looks like there's enough room to go around the tcase and under the engine. I'm surprised there's enough room for it to go that low. Maybe they brought the engine up a tad. Also the turbo might be mounted a bit more rearward in from the engine than ours, something that would be an allowance from a different engine bay.

Edit: Interesting, seems like they have a small intermediate shaft coming out of their tcase for their passenger side axle. So I would chalk it up as a more compact tcase which allows them to run it under the engine.

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by Mazdazilla6 Looks like there's enough room to go around the tcase and under the engine. I'm surprised there's enough room for it to go that low. Maybe they brought the engine up a tad. Also the turbo might be mounted a bit more rearward in from the engine than ours, something that would be an allowance from a different engine bay. Edit: Interesting, seems like they have a small intermediate shaft coming out of their tcase for their passenger side axle. So I would chalk it up as a more compact tcase which allows them to run it under the engine.

Nice find!

Now...who's in for a t-case + rear end swap?

[Mazdazilla6]

Originally Posted by Vansquish Nice find! Now...who's in for a t-case + rear end swap?

Lol not I. I was looking at some other pictures of the rear end. It looks like it's got a ton more ancillary parts to it. It even has it's own control unit that sits right above it.

[Boost_creep]

After looking at the pictures of this manifold, I notice that each cylinder is a single runner, as opposed to the DISI with two runners per cylinder. That is going to be an issue for anyone still running the stock (unported) head. Unless this kit will come with a knife edge gasket, or something similar?

[Spectrix]

Originally Posted by Boost_creep After looking at the pictures of this manifold, I notice that each cylinder is a single runner, as opposed to the DISI with two runners per cylinder. That is going to be an issue for anyone still running the stock (unported) head.

Interestingly the ST head has twin ports like the MZR, and the facia is machined flat (also like the MZR)


This is the Focus ST head:




Here's how the ST and MZR manifolds compare: (pictures courtesy of theschrum)





Throttle body pattern is very similar (but it points downwards)




Port for the "sound symposer":



Port for the MAP sensor (same map sensor as MZR). There is no provision for Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR).



As you can see the intake ports don't quite line up (hence Damon Motorsports designing an adaptor)





The ST manifold clearly wont seal due the port alignment but it does physically bolt to the MZR block on it's own:









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[faeker]

Should probably wait to see what damond and friends have made before finding problems. Obviously the setup works without issue so give em a few more days to esssplain.

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[Djohns]

Well great. Now I need even more money to finish up this damn build of mine.

[TiGraySpeed6]

tee-hee....
He used the "F" word....


ain't never finished

[faeker]

There's a legend about an ms3 owner who "finished" his build. Word is he suffered a fatal heart attack the very......next.......day

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