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(Thread Starter) |   Not Ranked : 0 score  Introduction... Darrell Cox Racing and the MZR 2.3L DISI Im pleased to announce that Darrell Cox Racing is not only going to build my motor over the next couple months.... but will be taking a look at our platform fulltime. DCR, of SRT fame, has been watching us for somewhile, and this shouldnt come as a big surprise that our mazdas are finally getting the treatment. Darrell has been familiar with our cars since the early days of having mine in Mark Rileys shop, and this is something that has been a long time in coming. After discussing our platforms issues at length last week, finalizing plans yesterday afternoon...Darrell decided it was time to get involved. We discussed the issues Ive personally faced, and the horrendous black hole in the community, beyond basic boltons that exists. Im not sure if it was pity for me or all of us, but either way, were going to get some real help on major buildups, engine development, fueling, and many of the more involved setups, weve all waited on so long. Having someone so capable, experienced, and connected to the bigtime racing scene...is what we havent had up until now. Darrell not only builds motors, but he breaks them down as well. As we spoke yesterday, it gave me goosebumps hearing about the process. Build a shortblock, machine a head, make 100 dyno pulls track it beat it tear it down examine for wear and failure improve..... then repeat after 3-4, maybe more processes like this.... THEN we have a motor. Then WE ALL have a motor. It doesnt matter if the car runs perfectly, he wants to SEE whats happening inside. We all have invested too much time, energy, and money to be stuck where we are and not feel like any improvements are occurring. To not feel like somebody shares the same responsibility as i do. Lots of errors may have occurred with motor #1 on my car, but at the end of the day I wasnt going to build #2 with what my options were out there at this time. Building an engine, possibly as flawed for big power as this one.... entails alot more than just spending money on any old "stronger internals", and "measuring" it off real good. Its about time we had somebody who actually INVESTS in our motor, and takes it personally when it fails. Somebody whose done this before... working with many of the highest profile teams in the country, on virtually every turboed 4cylinder in the market. Well now hes gonna take a look at our mazdas, and i got about as firm a commitment as i could have hoped for. DCR is trailering my car back to their facility, tearing it up, and then gonna enter the fray. Im excited to be able to discuss our findings, and i know after talking to Darrell yesterday, that hes excited to share what he finds here in person as well. This is not going to be just a project for me, but if all goes well, we should have a production version of a motor to drop into any speed who wants it. Timetables will follow, but they arent gonna be as long as some might fear. I think the products available for those that want REAL power just got ALOT better guys. Im excited, and im sure Darrell and his team, will be weighing in soon on his initial impressions of where we stand. speedcig likes this. Last edited by phailerider; 03-02-2009 at 05:54 AM. | |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score this is great news will there be a trickle down of tech and info that will be useful for those who don't want to go the fully built motor route? |
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What DCR ultimately will offer the community will certainly include a trickle down affect. whether its a guy looking for 11's, 10's, or more.... or a guy who just doesnt want to pop on the stock block at 330whp and a reworked stocker, there will be tons of info disseminated here. i have my sickly built motor, an oem motor, a blown motor with a hole in the block, 4 heads, and many other oem parts to donate to this project. darrell is receiving my car with every top of the line product on the car..... unfortunately, despite that, it doesnt run right..lol there are several, "mostly stock" cars here locally, that will get involved as well, im sure. DCR isnt gonna fail here guys. Were ALL gonna benefit from this..... and thats regardless of whether you ever have a dcr motor or part installed on the car. Last edited by phailerider; 03-01-2009 at 11:29 AM. | ||
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score I think its about time Whoosh and i kissed and made up too. fwiw, the transition of Ron to the CSRT, and DCRs new commitment to mazdas, should not go to waste here. id be lying if i said i didnt mention his name a couple times in my discussions with dcr over the last couple weeks. I plan on getting over myself on this one.... This collaboration should only strengthen my relationship with CPE as well. They seem to be nothing but genuinely excited as this relationship has come together over the last several days. Ive been planning on adding to the "Paleriders Saloon(lol)" line of products, and this recipe seems perfect. I cant wait to offer these two companys products in tandem. To say 2009 will be a busy year answering pms is an understatement. i may actually have to get a website now...lol. Last edited by phailerider; 03-01-2009 at 09:23 AM. | |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Well from my discussion with ron, his plan was just to max the stock motor out and keep it together. Kind of like Realtune did with their 128mph caliber. However now that DCR might be in his corner....im sure his mind will change rather quick, or it should at least lol randy get rid of the gti and buy the bmw lol, this way when your finally satisfied with the mazda (ha that was a joke) you can park something else in DCRs shop  Last edited by phailerider; 03-01-2009 at 09:27 AM. | |
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I think it is a perfect match. Last edited by phailerider; 03-01-2009 at 10:21 AM. | |||
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| Not Ranked : 0 score very good news dude, looking foward to updates as they happen. I am extremely happy for this.... quote Paleider. The tech information that will trickle down as to some of the reasons this motor has been popping can ABSOLUTELY affect less hardcore modders. Being one who would like to have 325-340whp max as a reliable DD in a FWD platform, i am really hoping that the average dudes like me can achieve this in the future without having to worry that the 5-10 grand we just invested to improve the Speed3 will not be a potential time bomb like it is today.....this is great news if it all pans out and the results are positive... Lastly again, you have brought the Speed3 community a great shot with this project....thanks.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score This is very good news and I am very much looking forward to the findings. I will say this: From my analysis of the stock rods, I don't think it's the rods that are at fault for most of the stock popped motors. I think broken rods are a result of a larger flaw in the motor assembly as the rods themselves are very similar in dimensions and forged construction (believe it or not) to the Neon SRT-4 motor and 4b11 (Evo X) motors where our bores is the same as the SRT-4 and we have a shorter stroke which only works in our favor. The 4b11 has an advantage in being perfectly square. Anyhow, great news Randy! |
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its one of the reasons i never jumped on the bandwagon of all the guys who have trashed PG for their motors. my motor was fine at 18psi(gt3071) for thousands of miles after ken built it and mark riley nailed the timing. heavy boosting with a bigger turbo slowly disintegrated it at P3 over the last month. right now it sits at p3 with great compresssion, great leakdown numbers, and all in one piece. we have NO idea what the cause of failure is and i'll be damned if i tear it down and do the same thing i just did over again. the hell with that. we need to UNDERSTAND the entire assembly before we can accurately market a built motor that has a warranty for higher boost applications. great post lex.... im so stoked to watch first hand as this process unfolds. | ||
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as far as a standalone? that depends on what we acheive with whats available first. he wont want to spend time on that, unless ultimately it is tuning that is the main holdup. that certainly isnt the feeling at this point now tho. Im sure he'll cross that bridge when he comes to it. i dont want to get in front of ourselves. for now... im just greatful for the interest being shown so far. hes got a little work ahead.... no question about it. Last edited by phailerider; 03-01-2009 at 11:36 AM. | ||
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Thats all great news Randy! Can you shed a bit more light on what exactly went down with the p3 build? Can you or any of the P3 guys speculate on what went wrong? Maybe I havent really kept up but im still confused on what hurtles we are still facing with this. Now that we got this we need an aftermarket tranny parts and gears! This one sucks! lol
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| Not Ranked : 0 score I am actually double happy because taking trips over their will be a hell of a lot easier for me than it would have been for me to go to P3. DCR will get this shit together and get it right. Personally I think one of our biggest problems is oil dilution and lack of shock absorbtion by the oil. I actually think its also a good move for DCR too because they will be stepping into a market that is about to be flooded with new companies. With Mazda continuing production of the speed3 with the new model and retaining the same motor, more and more people will be looking to this car for income.
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btw coulyon... what do you think Mark would have thought of this here!!!! Im pissed hes not gonna be in the middle of this, cussing and storming off when we break something we shouldnt have. | ||
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| Thats good to hear. i sort of begged Darrel when he was on here last month with Whoosh to start something with the MS3 and he said "no way!" New blood is always good man, very good news. Dont fuck this one up Randy!
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| Not Ranked : 0 score glad to hear this on the phone from you today Randy. i know its been in the works for the last few weeks and its nice to see the formal announcement today. its a big step forward for the community and I'm glad you and Darrell are bringing me/PG along for the ride. happy to provide DCR with whatever he or you needs. there's going to be alot of good from this relationship not only for you, but the mazdaspeed world as a whole. if DCR can do here what they have done elsewhere, people will have alot to be thankful for. and of course, your car is going to be pretty bad ass at the end of the day. good work man! |
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