cagey vs darksun 600hp thread

[Darksun280]

come on man you can't post up an sr20 in comparison. Its a 2.0L PI car and hits 400-430 all day on even baby gt28s. The MZR motor don't do that even on 2.3 liters. Your going to have to find a legit di cobalt that's hit 600 to even consider this a possibility. Op is gonna hit 450's and get his ass kicked by the dyno that's my guess.

Bet you my dusty ass setup can out dyno the op. Some one give me a free turbo damnit



Holy shit i just realized the hot side of the turbo in that vid is ginormous Jesus Christopher Jones....

[madvillain]

SRT, you're comparing apples and oranges here man. There's no use in comparing the same turbo on entirely different motors. Further more, there's really no use in thrashing this plan..

For real Cagey, good luck man. I will be helping you fund this shit in the next few weeks.

[SRTie4k]

Originally Posted by madvillain SRT, you're comparing apples and oranges here man. There's no use in comparing the same turbo on entirely different motors. Further more, there's really no use in thrashing this plan.. For real Cagey, good luck man. I will be helping you fund this shit in the next few weeks.

You guys can dream all you want, I'm being a realist here. Maybe you live in a world where magic unicorns deliver 600WHP at 24psi on a 6262, because we all know the DISI is an engine sprinkled with pixie dust.

The rest of the world abides by the laws of physics and thermodynamics.

[Nataphen]

...and nuke-ya-ler scientificness.

[Haltech]

I dont see this happening. You have to many voodoos working against you:

1) High boost on MZR lifts head
2) Injector Seals fail with larger cfm airflow and high boost
3) Not enough fuel
4) Poor IM
5) Small Tbody
6) Maf sensor that gives you the finger
7) Knock Sensor

I would honestly be surprised if you could hit 480 on that turbo.

[xfeejayx]

Holy shit! I don't know you at all, bit I'm rootin for you bro! Make this shit happen cage!

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[BUNGEEZZ]

Originally Posted by Haltech I dont see this happening. You have to many voodoos working against you: 1) High boost on MZR lifts head 2) Injector Seals fail with larger cfm airflow and high boost 3) Not enough fuel 4) Poor IM 5) Small Tbody 6) Maf sensor that gives you the finger 7) Knock Sensor I would honestly be surprised if you could hit 480 on that turbo.

1- hes built
2- im sur hes thought of that (PT)
3- fuel isent the issue in this case
4- having another IM made
5- getting a bigger throttle body

simple terms i dont think 600, i do think 550. =)

GOODLUCK!!!!

[JumpingJackson]

standard ARP studs on mazda3's have had head lift issues. They are the SAME exact studs we use on ours. If that's what he is using.

[Nitr0EngiE]

IMO TurdBurglar needs to forfeit his avatar to cagey ....

[Nigelo]

Good luck Cagey! Love to see the boundaries being soundly pushed!

[aminzer]

first off the new billet precisions arent what they are cracked up to be, 3 guys in my area have had the turbine wheel come off in there downpipe after a few weeks. Second of all there isnt a clutch out there that will hold other than the twin disk that we just had made from clutch masters, and third fuel system uprgades

o yea and the headlift issue.....also have a fix for that with L19 headstuds already made sitting on the shelf at a distributor

[rigor]

i hope cagey hit's the # so you naysayers can eat shit with a big spoon!!

[turd burglar]

spec stage 3+ clutch should hold. no need for an apeshit twin disk setup. as far as the headlift issue, why the fuck would arp half ass and it make a universal headstud for 2 completely different motors? thats just them bein fucking lazy right there. bullshit

[Speed3eak]

subbed

edit: Whatever happens this shit is gonna be awesome.

[FreeFlyFreak]

I have not laughed so hard at a thread since.......................
since last night when that deer stomped on that old dog.....
LOL.


Good Luck to cagey and Props to John to for ponying up initially.
Gotta Love this.
Its like the X prize but on MSF.

Subbed for hilarity and dyno results.

[JumpingJackson]

They arent completely different motors.. You can put a DISI head on a standard MZR block and vice-versa. Hence the same headstuds fit. I dont think ARP ever actually said hey these headstuds are good for DISI engines, vendors just started selling them once they figured it out that they were a cross-over part.

[holeinmypocket]

wow...this is gonna either be epic fail....or its gonna happen....
intake manifold and throttle body and maf are gonna be your problems...wonder if the stock head is gonna let you flow all of that boost...

[cageyvet]

Like I said it will be fun... I have extra supplemental insurance on my car that will cover any damage i.e. blown motor ( i just have to provide receipts for parts and labor). So I'm not too worried..

[Cataphract_40]

GO CAGEY GO!!!

:friday:

[aminzer]

well im the only one talking from experience here....i stretched arp 2000 studs, had a couple sets of L19s made for the community, and i had a spec 3+ and that thing is toast with 501whp and 360ftlbs

[holeinmypocket]

interested to see if the stock injectors will let you run 600hp or where they max out at..then we will really know...

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by JumpingJackson They arent completely different motors.. You can put a DISI head on a standard MZR block and vice-versa. Hence the same headstuds fit. I dont think ARP ever actually said hey these headstuds are good for DISI engines, vendors just started selling them once they figured it out that they were a cross-over part.

Yes and no. The heads will fit but require fairly extensive work to actualy run (not just ecu wise but oil passages, and injector ports needing to be welded shut and new ones added, etc.)

[nyghtryder]

main problem i see you running into is getting the parts you need in the timeframe you have. Its the little parts that kill you on money and time. GL id love to see this even if it takes longer than 30 days

[starscream]

Fuck what anyone says...GO FOR IT!

To me its people like this that are gonna do whatever to get to 600hp and hopefully we learn in the process to get higher HP (even if you dont hit it, 1 more car trying to go get higher HP is good in my books).

Good luck!

[spnkr21]

Good luck cagey! What throttle body are you getting or are you PnPing your stock one? Who's intake manifold ?

Srt4iek or whatever your name is. You have no idea what you're talking about. A 3071 makes 425ish at 22psi. 3076 450ish etc. You gotta read up on the speeds son!

[aminzer]

o im not saying dont try....please do and im not bashing you for it but, just sayin if the headlifts, your clutch slips, the transmission fails which ive had all of these and if you run out of fuel dont say i didnt warn you before hand

[spnkr21]

Originally Posted by aminzer well im the only one talking from experience here....i stretched arp 2000 studs, had a couple sets of L19s made for the community, and i had a spec 3+ and that thing is toast with 501whp and 360ftlbs

How much boost and what size turbo were you running when u stretched them?

[phillyb]

gotta redo water and oil lines?
gotta re-fit anything?
whoever mentioned that and the time frame has an interesting point.

[wcm250f]

go cagey. i am rootin for ya. If you think you can make it nothing should stop you. there is always another part to swap out that can make it go further and if not. Make one.

[aminzer]

Originally Posted by spnkr21 How much boost and what size turbo were you running when u stretched them?

gt35r and 27psi

[Hectik1]

This is what I like to see.

Regardless of what happens, this is going to be EPIC!!!!

[cageyvet]

working on a shopping list right now

[spnkr21]

Originally Posted by aminzer gt35r and 27psi

Ok good. I should be more than ok. Well till I NEED a new turbo

[bro2]

Good luck bud, I hope 600hp happens!!!!

[www.cp-e.com]

Adam - has your ms3 tranny failed yet?

[Huligan]

this will all end in tears i am afraid

[phillyb]

Originally Posted by Huligan this will all end in tears i am afraid

and some money will exchange hands

[Spoofmastafly]

[FreeFlyFreak]

Originally Posted by Spoofmastafly

OMG...... The Jesus Bird.

[ThEsHoCkEr]

Lurker from the dead... this is going to be epic. Extreme fail or extreme win... either way I'm in for the show.

and just for the record I don't think even two of those turbos would get the job done, but I hope I'm wrong. Good luck cagey