MSF vs M247 - Falsely Accused Over Defacing Of Mazda Flag

[Enki]

Originally Posted by Stealth01 I'm a whore for money.

You'll wind up FAR more satisfied if you're just a whore.

[tunersteve]

Originally Posted by phillyb all i care about now is that you quoted my fucking fail of a post. let's be 100 about a few things... i don't care about the flag. i care a tiny little bit about who drew it...i would care more if the person was actually honest about it and said, "yeah muther fucker...i drew that shit...suck my nuts." again, i wish i did it. you make a fucking post out of the blue, and like i said, it raises red flags... and last time this happened was in the raceroots threads... you most certainly held your own in those threads stating your opinion...and your stance on things. i actually commend that. would i feel better about you not being a mod over there? as petty as it fucking is... yes....100% i would feel better if you were not a mod on that shitty forum. yeah, i fucking said it, steve.

I appreciate the honesty philly. Again, sorry for raising the red flags. I do come on here and visit frequently, but don't post much because lately my interest for the car isn't what it used to be.

To be honest, and you can check this shit with Corbs, since I vented to him MONTHS ago, that I was sick of the greed over there. I even voiced my concern to Antoine numerous times in PMs, about things like piss-poor quality and lack of decent vendors (like SU) and I'm still waiting for a response. I'm sick of it. Talk with Silver Ecstasy and see how much I vent about the shit that goes on over there. I don't post it out in the open because I wouldn't be a mod over there helping people out in the MS6 section.

I made a mistake by asking a rhetorical question in the worst possible context. For that I owe you guys an apology. Aside from that, in my time here, I've done NOTHING wrong, and never made waves regarding the drama that exists between 247 and here.

Originally Posted by Stealth01 +1. I've been a moderator, and have been asked NUMEROUS times to do it again. NEVER EVER EVER EVER will I do that on ANY forum ANYWHERE. It isn't worth it. Unless it pays. I'm a whore for money.

I'm with you. Not worth the headaches. Ignorance is bliss. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with me, and won't ever have anything to do with me, so I should have kept my mouth shut.

[Stealth01]

Both of you need "quotes 101" training so your damn quotes come out right.

And Steve fixes that RIGHT as I post. I FAIL.

Originally Posted by tunersteve This issue has absolutely nothing to do with me, and won't ever have anything to do with me, so I should have kept my mouth shut.

Well, I think we KNOW now who drew at least the YAYBIES girl on the flag, and we can assume it was someone else from the WI chapter of 247 that did the franks-n-beans drawing too. So your question has, at least in part, been answered.

[phillyb]

Originally Posted by tunersteve I appreciate the honesty philly. Again, sorry for raising the red flags. I do come on here and visit frequently, but don't post much because lately my interest for the car isn't what it used to be. To be honest, and you can check this shit with Corbs, since I vented to him MONTHS ago, that I was sick of the greed over there. I even voiced my concern to Antoine numerous times in PMs, about things like piss-poor quality and lack of decent vendors (like SU) and I'm still waiting for a response. I'm sick of it. Talk with Silver Ecstasy and see how much I vent about the shit that goes on over there. I don't post it out in the open because I wouldn't be a mod over there helping people out in the MS6 section. I made a mistake by asking a rhetorical question in the worst possible context. For that I owe you guys an apology. Aside from that, in my time here, I've done NOTHING wrong, and never made waves regarding the drama that exists between 247 and here.

i've been told by vendors over there that antoine is a piece of shit. i've heard of a few things through the grapevine. and now you post shit about the forum being "greedy"
it's really interesting. not to toot kevin's horn, but i'm surprised there's even a mazdaspeed section over there. if there wasn't, i don't think there would much animosity between the two forums at this point.
but then where would n00bs go when they need to know which bov/intake/leds r t3h best...
steve and stealth, donate (again) to the fucking forums!!!

[tunersteve]

At this point I'm done caring who did it. If it was from 247, they'll feel like dumbfucks for starting a witch hunt that never needed to exist.

Besides, I'm not gonna lie, we laughed about the shlong drawing at work today.

[Stealth01]

Just have someone draw a Honda symbol getting screwed by the schlong and the corporate Mazda guys will LOVE it. Japanese men have a weird sense of humor.

[Monotonous ONE]

whats the over/under on percentage of 247 forum members with a cock larger than the one drawn on the flag?

[MS3-a(sore)ASS-rex]

Fuck you Philly i wanted to be the one blamed to have done it! Hell, I'd even be willing to tell the real whiners my phone number and address so they can give me a good "talking to" it's a mazda flag not the American Flag no need for all the outrage....

[-cj-]

Wow, why is this even a big deal? I could see this being a serious issue if it were a nation's flag, but it's a stupid Mazda flag... Hell, I think I used one to clean my car the other day...

[NRSpeed]

Well, we know it cant be a 247 member cause they all have vaginas. Thus they wouldnt know how to draw a set of cock-n-balls.

I see M247.com and EECCM.com written in the middle so my guess is a M247 member probably did it, if an MSF member did it I would go to guess M247 would be in front of the cock-n-balls.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by tunersteve Hal, I think you've known me well enough to see that i'm not here to accuse or attack anyone, and I'm sorry if my post came off that way. I was simply asking if the culprit was known or not, regardless of where he's from. Quite frankly, I could give a damn less about the flag. I wasn't there, I didn't sign it, so what does it matter. Yes, absolutely, and like I said above, my post wasn't to accuse anyone of doing it here, just asking if the person is indeed known.

Ok fair enough, but your reply, at least to me, leaned toward US, the misfet MSF forum as the problem children here.

Sure, we fuck around on this forum (last i remember, that was what a forum was about before people decided to monetize and create 2nd grader rules on them) but we have pride in ourselves and what we have accomplished here.

28 months ago, people didnt know what MSF was. I dont even think today, people realize why this forum was created. It boiled down to M247 catering to their vendor concerns, but bypassing member concerns at the expense of their own dollar. On top of that, speaking out got you banned.

That day, MSF was born. By the end of year one, we climbed the google rank. Today, we ARE the number one Mazdaspeed Forum because of what content the forum provides, on top of the real "man" entertainment it provides for people who just want to TALK.

Originally Posted by Stealth01 Oh, and I say that being an active member of both sites. Each one serves its own purpose, and each one has its own good points and bad points. The rivalry is stupid, but also pretty much the norm for websites/forums. I'm a founding member of a fan-based sports site for the Buffalo Bills, and we have a HUGE, almost hate-fueled rivalry with competitor sites.

Well thats nice and all, but i hate Antoine with a passion. He doesnt care about him community, he cares about his vendors and the paycheck that comes with it. I dont see anything the M247 brings to the table. Hell, everything here, is re-posted over there because honestly, their MS section is about as dead as both Lenny and Philly's sex life. This isnt even a rivalry, its about members there, banned, which caused this place to be created for ALL of their wrong doings. You either run a forum correctly and with passion, or you dont. The result of doing it right is THIS forum.

Originally Posted by -cj- Wow, why is this even a big deal? I could see this being a serious issue if it were a nation's flag, but it's a stupid Mazda flag... Hell, I think I used one to clean my car the other day...

Well, speed owners should take a wee bit of pride in the Mazda flag regardless. I dont think defacing the flag was the right thing to do and it shows that sponsoring events on a small level for any Mazda enthusiast, proves we arent deserving of such support as little people. In the end, it really does kind of fuck up interaction as nobodies with them.

I was nominated by Mazda this year as "an influential person for the Mazda Community" by Mazda themselves, if you can believe that shit. I get emails from Mazda all the time and shit sent to me, including those Mazda flags. I just wish they would pay more attention to the site i run because well, i DO NOT have a Mazdaspeed flag.

Anyways, M247 can eat a dick and if infact one of their members over there did infact deface that flag, who looks like the fuckin idiot now?

[MATT DAMOND]

Oaky, as probably the only person in this thread who was at EECMM, and who's signed that flag, I'll chime in my views.

First off, I don't really know the history/importance of this very flag, but at the car show I saw some ppl signing it, so I did the same. At that time, I didn't see the penis drawing, and I wasn't around that area too much, so I didn't see who did it.

There were a lot of ppl at the show, I'd like to say a non-Mazda owner did it, but I cannot know that 100%. The Vdub guys who were there I'm sure didn't do it. There was a nutcup who was there with a shitty subaru, and if I had any money on who did it, I'd have it all on him. No one liked that dude, Pete even said so to his face, and James tore into him. That was funny.

In all honestly, it seems that no one really knows who did it. It was most likely some immature jackass, who apparently has no artistic ability at drawing dicks. I love how once M247 saw this, their first thought was that a guy from MSF did it. Jesus, grow the fuck up. Even still, M247 should be well acquainted to the artistic ability of the dicks that have been posted on their forum, so this clearly isn't MSF's doing. All the ppl who were there and were members of MSF were too mature to get off drawing dicks on a flag(except keith lol). There's ppl on M247 who will never know that cause some off them seem to fucking scared to even come to EECMM.

There was talk during the meet of having M247 sponsor the event, like MSF did this year. I kinda LOLed inside, M247 doesn't have the member support like MSF, and they're practically run by their vendors. I don't see Antoine reaching into his pocket, to do anything like that.

If I knew that there would be this much hate and drama from M247, I would've wrote a big "www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum" on the flag. I can imagine seeing them literally crying over that.

Originally Posted by Stealth01 Also, notice that right under the poorly drawn naked chick, a member of 247.com (xsists), who I assume is also "Brian" from Wisconsin, signed the flag. Mazda Forums And, if that isn't damning enough, xsists makes THIS post ON 247.com, referring to "YAYBIES," as seen on the flag "desecration": Wisconsin Random Chatter and Banter Thread - Page 1934 - Mazda Forums So my money is on THEIR member, xsists (probably Brian from WI).

Brian prob didn't do it, he's a cool guy. yaybies FTW

[rigor]

maybe they ought to keep a closer eye on the coveted flag! and it looks like ass with all the sigs on it anyway, burn the fucker !

[cpolly69]

Something else that no one has yet to bring up is the fact that there were a number of people there that weren't affiliated with any forum. I didn't even know this flag was there much less people signing it. Oh well big fucking deal

[rigor]

Originally Posted by Haltech Haters Going To Hate... I'm amazed by the idiocy of members on the M247 forum making false accusations that the Mazda flag was defaced by a MSF member. Furthermore, what these idiots fail to mention is, the 2010 Epic East Coast Mazda Meet which was sponsored by MSF, also had Subaru, Mitsubishi, Honda and various other platform owners in attendance. Where is the evidence pointed to a MSF member defacing the Mazda flag? There is none... Its just assumptions by a group of haters who just want to hate. Why the hate? For obvious reasons it could be: Non Over-Moderated Forum Actual Information About This Platform Better Member Community With Relevant Information Ground Breaking Foundation For New Parts/Technology VIP area Member Supported and Driven Live Open Chat Unique and Custom Forum Layout Open Opinions Largest Mazdaspeed Content Available Forum Not Flooded With HID & LED Threads List Goes On... So yeah, i can see why we have a hate club. Even a dipshit M247 moderator of the Ohio section (SATimko) even pointed the finger at MSF by saying: So, i would like to extend a big "FUCK YOU" to you dipshits over there and provide evidence of these accusations. Until then, enjoy your mass HID/LED threads and continued hate, for the Number One Mazdaspeed Forum on the Net, bitches!

can we get this made into a bumper sticker or a big one for the back window msf haters gonna hate?

[16-driver]

Since no one is man enought to show a face or admit to it, then the next thing to do is to resolve and fix the issue. In this case, the cock drawing.

I'm sure there are some artists here that can add on to the cock drawing and make it look something else like a gesture, a thumbs up, etc. You know, kind of like how tatto artists cover up existing artwork. the problem is, this would have to be done carefully with a sharpie with fewer lines, and with no shading (if possible), and it would have to pertain to something Mazda or the Meet. But if one is talented and creative enough, there is a way.

Let me see if I can get my friend to fix it.

He's pretty good. Lil wayne on a leg, anyone?

[hnda etr]

Originally Posted by tunersteve I even voiced my concern to Antoine numerous times in PMs, about things like piss-poor quality and lack of decent vendors (like SU) and I'm still waiting for a response.

What's funny is when my thread about SU's redline hoodlift GB got locked by a 247 mod, I pm'd him and asked why..

He said SU was banned from 247 for shady business practices...

LOL really! GTFO!

That fuckin mark and his shady practices lol

/sarcasm

[Stealth01]

Originally Posted by MATT DAMOND Brian prob didn't do it, he's a cool guy. yaybies FTW

Well, I don't think he did the cock-n-balls, but he's the leading candidate for the Yaybies sketch. And the 247.com guys complained about that as well. My point is, they should look internally before looking elsewhere.

[johnnyspeed6]

Nice one !!

[prenedo]

Originally Posted by 16-driver Since no one is man enought to show a face or admit to it, then the next thing to do is to resolve and fix the issue. In this case, the cock drawing. I'm sure there are some artists here that can add on to the cock drawing and make it look something else like a gesture, a thumbs up, etc. You know, kind of like how tatto artists cover up existing artwork. the problem is, this would have to be done carefully with a sharpie with fewer lines, and with no shading (if possible), and it would have to pertain to something Mazda or the Meet. But if one is talented and creative enough, there is a way. Let me see if I can get my friend to fix it. He's pretty good. Lil wayne on a leg, anyone?

Id rather have a dick on my leg. Who the fuck does that? Anyways, yeah; that shit can be fixed, its just a horribly drawn upside down cock. My guess is the subie guy. Lets attack every forum until the cocksucker (cockdrawer?) confeses; including M247.

[corbs]

i love it. i missed them drawing it on there but everyone was drunk when the flag was pulled out. and out of all the members at the meet there were prob under 10 actually on this forum. did u notice no one got upset bout the boobs drawn on the flag in the lower right corner of the picture

[16-driver]

Originally Posted by prenedo Id rather have a dick on my leg. Who the fuck does that? Anyways, yeah; that shit can be fixed, its just a horribly drawn upside down cock. My guess is the subie guy. Lets attack every forum until the cocksucker (cockdrawer?) confeses; including M247.

Many people does that! Crazy, I know, but they're out there. He had another one wih the Joker tattooed on a leg.

[Boonestafa]

holy shit!! this is exactly why i love this site.
when i bought my MS3 i spent exactly 1 hour surfing 247 before realizing it was the panty waste forum of the mazda world. i purposely seek out forums that dont have draconian moderators and allow real disention from its members. i mean if someone has a problem and posts up their issue, and its contrary to one the the site vendors, should it get locked, moved, deleated, ect? fuck no! we are our own best protection, we are here contributing, and we have thick enough skin to take and give shit when needed. its called personality! AND WE ARE CHOCKED FULL OF THAT SON! fuck those pussies! fucking cheeze dicks.

/damn i'm pissed.

this shit reminds me of the old vwvortex vs 20vturbo.com bullshit of old. this site is a reincarnation of 20v.. we're the wild west of mazda forums and i love it.

[gtarman77787]

I think its time someone goes on the subbi forums and sees if there's any talk from the one said subbi guy there

btw






thank you

[FridayGt]

Originally Posted by corbs ...did u notice no one got upset bout the boobs drawn on the flag in the lower right corner of the picture

That's because no one on 247 knows what they look like...

[triplejumper18]

FAGGOT

[phillyb]

Originally Posted by triplejumper18 FAGGOT

for those that want the profile link - Antoine Tokar | Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/AntoineTokar

i put this in here a few different ways. the text file is the same thing as the code.

[dkswim]

I find this all very comical as if most of the members on 247 dont also have membership on MSF. Left hand blame right hand. i really dont care who did either and it dasnt realy matter. the volcals on 247 did blow way out of proportion as if sharpie cant be removed or new art can't be drawn over it.

[buttons]

I think this is the best mazdaspeed forum on the web that im aware of. It has great features, layout, etc but my biggest gripe with mazdaspeedforums is the level of maturity. Everyone wants you to suck on their balls rather then provide any help, constructive criticism, or ideas.

Reading these forums makes me feel like im reliving high school all over again. Its all the attitude and he said/she said shit i can't stand.

Ive been a member of a lot of diffenent forums. Hondas, Nissans, Ford, Fbody, LS1tech, etc and i have never ever seen such immaturity. Some of the Fbody guys were abit prejudice of imports but still nothing holds a candle to the potty mouth sailor talk I see here.

[wankular]

I think I've been on M247 once or twice. Isn't that the one that has advertisements in the middle of threads, disguised as posts? And the one whose layout is so sloppy that it's hard to tell posts from signatures? Yeah, they suck.

[corbs]

lol!!! as if antoine couldnt get any gayer he just did

[8.5MS3]

Originally Posted by buttons I think this is the best mazdaspeed forum on the web that im aware of. It has great features, layout, etc but my biggest gripe with mazdaspeedforums is the level of maturity. Everyone wants you to suck on their balls rather then provide any help, constructive criticism, or ideas. Reading these forums makes me feel like im reliving high school all over again. Its all the attitude and he said/she said shit i can't stand. Ive been a member of a lot of diffenent forums. Hondas, Nissans, Ford, Fbody, LS1tech, etc and i have never ever seen such immaturity. Some of the Fbody guys were abit prejudice of imports but still nothing holds a candle to the potty mouth sailor talk I see here.

you need to grow some skin or a sack

this is the internet
people here can bullshit and not worry about getting bitched at
the information is all here
dont post stupid shit and bitch when you get flamed
use the search button
enjoy your stay
donating will relieve some of the anxiety you are currently experiencing

[phillyb]

i'm immature

[Stealth01]

Originally Posted by corbs did u notice no one got upset bout the boobs drawn on the flag in the lower right corner of the picture

Yes, one person did. And as pointed out, the YAYBIES were drawn by a 247.com memeber, xsists.

[tunersteve]

Originally Posted by wankular I think I've been on M247 once or twice. Isn't that the one that has advertisements in the middle of threads, disguised as posts? And the one whose layout is so sloppy that it's hard to tell posts from signatures? Yeah, they suck.

No, thank god it's not. It does have a shitload of vendors and ads on the index page though.

I prefer the vendor layout over here. Much cleaner and easier to navigate. Plus you allow ALL of the WORTHY vendors to stay here.

Originally Posted by Stealth01 Yes, one person did. And as pointed out, the YAYBIES were drawn by a 247.com memeber, xsists.

Sounds like all of it has been cleaned up, now back to regularly scheduled programming...

[corbs]

XSISTS IS MY BOY!!

[Brian MP5T]

That forum started to SUCK MUCH around 2006.

All Of The People Who Knew Anything About The MSP or Protege Were BANNED one after the other.

T3ASE
Myself
PDHaudio83

The problem was and still is that Antoine is a tool. He just recently moved out of his parents basement and finally traded in his Civic for a Mazda...

It seems that this has not helped.

[phillyb]

posting this again...
<3 antoine

[SB.MS3]

^i wonder who took these pictues? and wtf was he thinking not to say, dude you look like a tard wigger that was raped by a dirty clothes hamper.
seriously he looks like an autistic kid that got stuck and couldnt get out of his bed sheets.

[Brian MP5T]

Originally Posted by SB.MS3 ^i wonder who took these pictues? and wtf was he thinking not to say, dude you look like a tard wigger that was raped by a dirty clothes hamper. seriously he looks like an autistic kid that got stuck and couldnt get out of his bed sheets.

I'm really sure it was a Tripod... No Human would ever agree to take the picture.


Oh, A Special message to Antoine who no doubt has logged in to see this...
FUCK OFF