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This is an initial review based upon some spirited driving for 20 miles with 1 hairpin in each of the 6 runs. Most of the drive consisted of lane change like switch-backs, medium like sweepers, and one 3rd gear 25mph suggested (70mph actual) quick right hander and then left hand sweeper which if you set up right, you should transfer back smoothly and rotate nicely through. Air pressure is unknown at this time but it probably started @ 35psi. I let some air out of the front after the first run to counter act the understeer my shitty alignment induces.

After doing so I noticed the rear was much more tail happy and had a strong snap over when bringing it back. I was throwing the car pretty hard to setup into each corner in an effort to test the progression of grip threw the corner. In most cases traction would begin to be lost but at a very progressive rate and a slight squeal. This is much quieter then the 195/50 Ecsta AST I was running before but short of the howl the 195/50 Falker 502's have. Corners purposely drifted were done so with much more ease then any tire I have ever used. I was very confident with it, and never surprised so I never had to lift or let off.

I noticed my R-package Bilsteins contributing to some of the handling issues probably from being under damped for this tire. However, after I have some actual time on them I will be able to better assess that hypothesis as I usually have trouble with new tires considering they carry their own characteristics. These runs reached speeds of 85+ mph while cornering. This could have also been a bit over ambitious for a new tire and the shocks damping.

They are wide for a 195/50. I would say they may even exceed contact patch for some companies 205/50s

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Tires have controllable progression beyond the edge. They regain grip unexpectedly at their current psi at high speed (possible damping issue). Further testing including wet traction and extensive dry traction will be conducted over the holiday weekend.
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I am also running these tires. They are lasting longer than the stock dunlop that came with it.
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I have been running these on my z for about a year. One of the best street tires Ive run on that car. Although I am limited on selection by the 205/55/15 requirement so I am not sure how they would hold up against some of the more aggressive tires. I'm looking forward to your report on wet traction(the z doesnt go out in the rain)...
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I ran these on my msm also at the 3 sisters... I was impressed

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I'm running these tires too a little to much road noise for my taste.
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So I took the car out last night since it was raining pretty good. Didn't get to hit up the canyons like I wanted but I got extensive business park, highway on ramp and round-about testing in.

I had no problem cruising 80+ comfortably and never hydroplaned or felt unsure of how they were going to react. If I did induce a loss of traction on purpose it could be regained immediately and without much trouble.

They are still new so I would be interested to see how they react in the last 30-40% of their lifespan in the wet.

I am really loving these in the dry though.
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Alright, I put some serious testing on them and I can say they are an incredible tire. I didn't want to stop. I put about 250 canyon miles on them for about 7 hours. Initial bite is quick and crisp and the progression when heading toward a loss in traction is very communitive and not at all surprising. I see no reason to ever switch. I would have no trouble running these on a track day.

However, they are tire pressure sensitive. I played with a few different ones and found 34-35 hot is best. They do get greasy but once again you know it and they cool quickly. Only had to let off for a minute or so and it was good to go.

This is a quick run to show you how they act on the road.

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My friend is running these on his wrx, it's quite easy to 4 wheel spin in the rain with them. I'd consider them more a warm dry weather tire.
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How do these compare to the RS3s you tried on your MSM?
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Nothing compares to RS3s. These are a 300 treadwear tire. It would be foolish for me to draw a comparison.
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Hey Bob where was that video taken? Cause i live right next to irvine (tustin) and id love to take my ms3 out there.
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I contemplated getting these when I was in the market, but after several credible reviews, I decided on the Hankooks.

This is still interesting to me for future reference. I'll be trying something else when the V12's kick the bucket.

Bob, how's the sidewall? Is it rigid enough to offer sharp steering response and turn in?

I lost a small amount of response and slightly less precision on turn in with the V12's. They definitely have more grip than the Potenzas, but are a little mushy on the sidewall.
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Nathan, hit me up when you want to go. Either early morning, random weekday afternoons and late at night is when you can actually drive the road. Otherwise you have other motorists, jogger, long boarders, motorcyclists and deer to deal with.

Tony, the sidewall is softer then the shitty tires I have been running. I would describe the turn in quick like an RS3 (has a soft sidewall) but doesn't hold the road like them.

I need to get a video of me driving so you see how I use the steering wheel in the corners.
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I need to get a video of me driving so you see how I use the steering wheel in the corners.
In for this. I'd like to see how the car responds to your inputs. Could give a good idea of how they perform.
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Cool. I have one now from the same day but you can only see one hand but you may get the idea of the response. Ill host it now
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Bad angle, I know. That is why I didnt post it originally.

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Yes these in no shape can compare to some RS-3's.. but for the dry performance and decent in wet, especially for the price.. they are really hard to beat. As bob said the RS-3's treadwear compared to these are no match but the RS-3's stick like glue! I was overall impressed with them myself when i took them out to the 3 sisters for a 7 hour run, and ran them pretty hard.
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Yeah I go to UCLA so I'm not in tustin currently but maybe over the break.
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I finally used up my s drives. They are so bald that they are leaking out air from a crack on near 1/3 of the thread.

I'm trying out the Hankooks V12s now. So far I loved that tire, but the fact that they discontinued them I have to jump ship.

On the stock dunlops I had I ruined the inner sidewalls, but with the s drives they showed no wear on the inner sidewalls.
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I had s-drives on my civic si back in the day, great tire for spirited driving. They also look great mounted.
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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
This is an initial review based upon some spirited driving for 20 miles with 1 hairpin in each of the 6 runs. Most of the drive consisted of lane change like switch-backs, medium like sweepers, and one 3rd gear 25mph suggested (70mph actual) quick right hander and then left hand sweeper which if you set up right, you should transfer back smoothly and rotate nicely through. Air pressure is unknown at this time but it probably started @ 35psi. I let some air out of the front after the first run to counter act the understeer my shitty alignment induces.

After doing so I noticed the rear was much more tail happy and had a strong snap over when bringing it back. I was throwing the car pretty hard to setup into each corner in an effort to test the progression of grip threw the corner. In most cases traction would begin to be lost but at a very progressive rate and a slight squeal. This is much quieter then the 195/50 Ecsta AST I was running before but short of the howl the 195/50 Falker 502's have. Corners purposely drifted were done so with much more ease then any tire I have ever used. I was very confident with it, and never surprised so I never had to lift or let off.

I noticed my R-package Bilsteins contributing to some of the handling issues probably from being under damped for this tire. However, after I have some actual time on them I will be able to better assess that hypothesis as I usually have trouble with new tires considering they carry their own characteristics. These runs reached speeds of 85+ mph while cornering. This could have also been a bit over ambitious for a new tire and the shocks damping.

They are wide for a 195/50. I would say they may even exceed contact patch for some companies 205/50s

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Tires have controllable progression beyond the edge. They regain grip unexpectedly at their current psi at high speed (possible damping issue). Further testing including wet traction and extensive dry traction will be conducted over the holiday weekend.
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