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If any of you guys are in SoCal, and can be w/o your miata for a month or two... great opportunity to get a top of the line SC kit at a low price. Installed and tuned by one of the best in the business, who's also one of the fastest miata drivers in the country.

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Thanks Tokay, it's still a DD though. In the process of moving and I am pretty sure I can piece together a turbo kit during xmas while all those peeps part out for presents for less and make more hp.
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SC kits definitely have lower hp potential than turbo, 200-220whp would be my guess with this kit. But the big difference is going to be power through the whole rev range, not just the top half. Also, kraftwerks is supposed to be going for CARB approval, which is big for cali ppl.
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Full boost on the MSM @ 3200... tell me why anyone needs power below that...

When I piece a kit together it will probably be around 2800-3k rpms. nce about carb...

I've seen these kits on cars but never got the opportunity to run one. I can tell you other s/c kits making the same power as a t/c are slower. It's weird. They should stick to v6/8s for s/c... even then, turbo is better still.
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I wish my msm could have full boost at 3200, what mods were you running to achieve that?

SC cars being slower than TC cars making the same hp is probably parasitic loss. But I think the power should be easier to modulate than TC cars. Of course it's an advantage that will only show in very specific situations. Also well tuned TC cars can probably close the gap here.

Still belt driven turbos (what the kraftwerks realy is) have been very well reviewed. Think comptech and their nsx + s2000.
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I wish my msm could have full boost at 3200, what mods were you running to achieve that?
custom 3" cbe, catless dp, fmic, aem sri, ported wg outlet... <$700 when done right.

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One of the huge reasons I'd like to get another msm some day. Makes decent power gains with cheesy bolt ons.
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custom 3" cbe, catless dp, fmic, aem sri, ported wg outlet... <$700 when done right.

One of the huge reasons I'd like to get another msm some day. Makes decent power gains with cheesy bolt ons.
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While you can liken it to a turbocharger for whatever reason all you want, what it actually is, is a centrifugal supercharger. Not a belt driven turbo. That would be an oxymoron.
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LOL... you loved that mod... but it doesn't help spool.

Sorry for the derail... could have handled it in PM.. oh well.
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I basically have all that except cbe and ported WG. I know both those have to be done together to avoid massive boost creep.
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The 3" cbe further enabled the boost creep. Massive, hardly... 15psi spikes @ redline in 50-55 degree weather @ sea level. 12-13psi most everywhere else and @ redline near 3500 feet.
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