Medieval FAQ

[yang_jackson]

Originally Posted by Erich darkstar is not medieval.

my bad. thanks for clarifying.

[06Speed6]

Man this is terrible.

I think I was the first person on MSF to call out this mani as a over priced, poorly designed, over hyped, pile of crap. I did try to warn you guys.

Back on topic... He cant charge a 30% restocking fee if it wasnt disclosed before hand.

Also saying that he cant refund the powdercoating fee would only apply if you did the pc, he is 100% legally responsible for the pc since it was sold with the mani. If the pc warped the mani then he needs to take it up with the pc company.

The $250 repair might be legit, even though it isnt a reasonable repair cost, but you could argue in court that you made all reasonable and even some unreasonable effort to make the part work and in the end it just wasnt going to fit. Even if it was repaired it still wouldnt fit anyway.

He also cannot deny a refund because a part was "custom order", a custom order part is a one of a kind part that is made once by a company. Also the fact that it is for sale on his web site completely flys in the face of that logic, regardless this needs to be disclosed before the sale.

[glocK23]

Originally Posted by MSP6COP Medieval told me that my manifold was the 2nd manifold not fitting right (the prototype being the first). I told him to check all the forums and he said THAT THEY DON'T CHECK THE FORUMS TO AVOID RUMORS. OH FUCKING PLEEEEEEASE.

[darkstarmotorsports]

Originally Posted by glocK23 I would like to take a minute to commend Darkstar Motorsports for their very good customer service, in regards to this situation, if you guys had a larger variety of aftermarket components for the MS3 that isn't made by Medieval, I could see myself ordering from you in the future. Thanks!

Thank you glock23...

Our MS3 section is growing, I just need to update/re-work the site. Regarding the current situation though, I will help MSP6COP and others who have order manifolds from medieval to the best of my abilities. Because I know how yall feel, i learned the hard way with ebay turbo kits in my younger days

[phillyb]

maybe darkstar and phillyb should go into business together.
lol...

[MedievalREP]

^i'm on the forums almost everyday. Anybody who sent us a pm with a problem, has had their problem corrected.
-This thread is coming off of a witch hunt with people carrying torches. I was surprised to hear about civil cases! Buying plane tickets to rob/beat medieval. This type of behavior won't help come to a resolution.
-Haltech, we both tried to contact you immediately after you froze the accounts.
-We would have been in this thread sooner however the accounts were locked, and we could not type in any thread.
-Randy we are all sorry for what happen, but to say the manifold exhausted the techs to the point were they weren't able to perform the tasks. That is not our fault, once again we are sorry for your misfortunes.
-ms6cop, in all fairness name one company that would warranty anything after taking a hammer to it. We are not talking about sanding a bit here or there. If something was wrong with the runner, medieval would have taken care of it, free of charge. I'm not saying the manifold did not fit. But with anytbody product, it there is a problem you don't handle it your way, and than say fix it. After you beat the product
-I've been on the forums for a while now, and almost none of this has been put in the medieval section, and it has not been brought to my attention via PM.
-I would like to help everybody come to a resolution here. Please stop posting anything thats not benefical to helping each person, and stop the witch hunt.

[Fobio]

Originally Posted by MedievalREP ^i'm on the forums almost everyday. Anybody who sent us a pm with a problem, has had their problem corrected.

I have contacted you several times via PM about my mounts. All you did was direct me to send emails to sales@medieval ...that didn't get me very far either, so I will dispute the above statement.

A word of advice...since you've gotten your account back, I would politely suggest that you resist the urge to get into a pissing match with guys on MSF...I bring Cobb up as a prime example. Work with us and we will reward you with business...please don't turn this more sour than it already is.

[MedievalREP]

Not trying at all we all know what happens i.e. cobb! The last thing anybody wants is a pissing match, especially with the prominent members on the forums.
My job, its to be the eyes and ears on the forum. I tell medieval when their is problem and he handles it. I take your information and call him, or whatever to get the problem fixed. I'm sure I never just gave you his e-mail. that is probably how he replied back to you.

[djuosnteisn]

Originally Posted by MedievalREP ^i'm on the forums almost everyday. Anybody who sent us a pm with a problem, has had their problem corrected.

I've pm'd you several times about needing that turbo flange to finish my manifold. I finally got a reply yesterday saying you'll talk to the main man or something. That's not resolved in my book. I'd much rather see a tracking number.

Also, I checked my header flange last night after seeing all the warped pictures, and it's also indeed warped. It also crashed with the alternator and required ALOT of grinding to get it to fit on the head.

Does the fact that i grinded it mean you guys wouldn't warranty it for the warpage? Cause that's DAMN SIMILAR to msp6cop and his "banging with a hammer" (which is a big exaggeration IMO) to make it fit. I couldn't return my ipod after "grinding" on it.

Just to let everyone know, i ordered ONLY the raw header and turbo flanges, so i could build my own manifold. Nothing has been coated, nothing has been welded. Only plasma cut. AND IT'S STILL WARPED. So i don't really understand how the blame could be put on the powder coating, haha.

Kinda like Haltech says, use shit material, get a shit product.




So, how about that turbo flange? Has it shipped? Like i've said in the pm's, my car is in pieces and i REALLY need to get it back together again.

[Superstretch18]

Originally Posted by 06Speed6 ...If the pc warped the mani then he needs to take it up with the pc company...

If powdercoating warped a manifold, what the hell would exhaust temps have done to it???

[phillyb]

how is ms6cop banging on it with a hammer an exaggeration?
here is part of his post from 6club...

Originally Posted by ms6cop The first runner closest to the turbo was TOO FUCKING BIG!!!! So I kind of gander at it for 30 minutes, extremely pissed off and say fuck it. I get a big ol hammer and pound the shit out of it. YUP, POUND THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

that's right, POUND THE SHIT OUT OF IT

[kore2000]

Yeah but for a 925 dollar manifold, that part better nearly put itself on. He tried to massage the runner into place which he shouldn't have to do in the first place, but rather than waiting another 2 months or whatever for a new mani, that may or may not fit, he decided to try and make it work. Obviously if it had fit with the hammering, we wouldn't be seeing this thread.

[MSP6COP]

-ms6cop, in all fairness name one company that would warranty anything after taking a hammer to it. We are not talking about sanding a bit here or there. If something was wrong with the runner, medieval would have taken care of it, free of charge. I'm not saying the manifold did not fit. But with anytbody product, it there is a problem you don't handle it your way, and than say fix it. After you beat the product

Really, what kind of company charges $925 for a manifold that is made like shit? You are a broken record. Yeah I beat it with a hammer BECAUSE IT DIDN'T FIT. What kind of company charges $925 up front for a part that took 8 weeks for me to get? You said it would have taken a week were I have requested another manifold but that was a fucking huge LIE. Why, after $925 and 8 weeks would I wait any longer to take my BT to the next level after going through a literal nightmare trying to install a part that didn't fit??? What kind of company simply ignores (yeah no one is buying that spam filter shit) their customers?? I went 12 days with no response and you're telling me that you simply said, "Well that guy must have given up, at least we get to keep his money.". Seriously, the simple fact that you're offering to send me a new manifold is ADMITTING THAT YOU MADE A PIECE OF SHIT THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHANCE MAKING IT INTO MY CAR. Did I hit it with a hammer? YES. Should I have had to do that if it were made right? NO.

There is no way in fucking hell me, or anyone else is going to grind the turbine housing on their $1800 turbos to make your poorly made manifold "work". You're not convincing anyone. Everything is a lie, excuse, lie, excuse, lie, excuse. What sort of company doesn't post a telephone number to contact them? You flat out told everyone that you tried to get a hold of me several times, which was a HUGE LIE. No one has tried to help me get this working except GRIM fro selling me that PG EWG manifold that I was able to install in about an hour because it was made PROPERLY, IMAGINE THAT.

The difference between Medieval and COBB is that COBB came back to these fucking boards and APOLOGIZED then made shit right. I'm STILL WAITING FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT. (Please dear god stop trying to force your manifold on me, I want MONEY, NOT ANOTHER PAPERWEIGHT).

[djuosnteisn]

Originally Posted by phaillyb how is ms6cop banging on it with a hammer an exaggeration? here is part of his post from 6club... that's right, POUND THE SHIT OUT OF IT

Hahaha, it seriously isn't "POUNDED THE SHIT OUT OF" in the pic in that thread. Definitely dented in, but not jack hammered. I think he just posted it that way out of frustration.

My flange on the other hand, has now been "GROUND THE FUCK OUT OF", hahahaha.

[djuosnteisn]

And honestly, how is hammering any worse than completely cutting and re-welding, which is what would have been necessary to make it fit.

[MedievalREP]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn Hahaha, it seriously isn't "POUNDED THE SHIT OUT OF" in the pic in that thread. Definitely dented in, but not jack hammered. I think he just posted it that way out of frustration. My flange on the other hand, has now been "GROUND THE FUCK OUT OF", hahahaha.

I've always replied to your pm's and you have been pleasant. I'm not sure what happened to the flange, and I'm sorry for the work that you had to put into it. I'm sure medieval has a solid response for you.

[MSP6COP]

Hahaha, it seriously isn't "POUNDED THE SHIT OUT OF" in the pic in that thread. Definitely dented in, but not jack hammered. I think he just posted it that way out of frustration.

So my girlfriends vagina was super tight, so what did I do? I banged the shit out of her and what do you you know, it FIT.

I seriously don't see the logic in bringing up that I dented that runner. Cutting that runner at the welds and re welding it so someone else could have tried it (and found that it didn't fit) makes no sense to me. I damaged a part that was useless because I was frustrated that I spent so much money and waited so long. Why don't you just take my money and have a nice day? Oh I forget, that's been on the agenda. I really wish you guys would post your names and get personal with us. Supposedly there's 3 owners. Sometimes I'm treated with respect, other times shit, sometimes both at the same time. Medieval is some magical asshole robot that is trying to find flaws in my argument against their poorly managed "company" so that people on these forums (which is your bread and butter by the way) will by your bull shit parts.

I'd love for you to reconcile all of this though, seriously.

[MedievalREP]

Originally Posted by MSP6COP Really, what kind of company charges $925 for a manifold that is made like shit? You are a broken record. Yeah I beat it with a hammer BECAUSE IT DIDN'T FIT. What kind of company charges $925 up front for a part that took 8 weeks for me to get? You said it would have taken a week were I have requested another manifold but that was a fucking huge LIE. Why, after $925 and 8 weeks would I wait any longer to take my BT to the next level after going through a literal nightmare trying to install a part that didn't fit??? What kind of company simply ignores (yeah no one is buying that spam filter shit) their customers?? I went 12 days with no response and you're telling me that you simply said, "Well that guy must have given up, at least we get to keep his money.". Seriously, the simple fact that you're offering to send me a new manifold is ADMITTING THAT YOU MADE A PIECE OF SHIT THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHANCE MAKING IT INTO MY CAR. Did I hit it with a hammer? YES. Should I have had to do that if it were made right? NO. There is no way in fucking hell me, or anyone else is going to grind the turbine housing on their $1800 turbos to make your poorly made manifold "work". You're not convincing anyone. Everything is a lie, excuse, lie, excuse, lie, excuse. What sort of company doesn't post a telephone number to contact them? You flat out told everyone that you tried to get a hold of me several times, which was a HUGE LIE. No one has tried to help me get this working except GRIM fro selling me that PG EWG manifold that I was able to install in about an hour because it was made PROPERLY, IMAGINE THAT. The difference between Medieval and COBB is that COBB came back to these fucking boards and APOLOGIZED then made shit right. I'm STILL WAITING FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT. (Please dear god stop trying to force your manifold on me, I want MONEY, NOT ANOTHER PAPERWEIGHT).

Trust me when I tell you I understand your frustration. We both now the PG manifold is easier to install because it is smaller and doens't have a true collecter...I've installed both! So let me get this straight, you want to keep the manifold and get your money back?

[kore2000]

Originally Posted by MedievalREP Trust me when I tell you I understand your frustration. We both now the PG manifold is easier to install because it is smaller and doens't have a true collecter...I've installed both! So let me get this straight, you want to manifold and you money back?

Seriously!? He said it like 10 times, he doesn't want the mani, just the MONEY. He already bought the PG mani.

[phillyb]

Originally Posted by kore2000 Yeah but for a 925 dollar manifold, that part better nearly put itself on. He tried to massage the runner into place which he shouldn't have to do in the first place, but rather than waiting another 2 months or whatever for a new mani, that may or may not fit, he decided to try and make it work. Obviously if it had fit with the hammering, we wouldn't be seeing this thread.

i agree. i'm not saying that it should have to be altered in any way, shape or form...

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn Hahaha, it seriously isn't "POUNDED THE SHIT OUT OF" in the pic in that thread. Definitely dented in, but not jack hammered. I think he just posted it that way out of frustration. My flange on the other hand, has now been "GROUND THE FUCK OUT OF", hahahaha.

again, i'm not going to argue that it should fit for the price. i agree.
i've also done my share of hitting parts up against the curb, breaking them, prying them, making them fit...
i wouldn't exactly expect much from the manufacturer though once the i had altered the part.
but i'ma take a step back obviously and just let cop and medieval handle their shit

[MSP6COP]

Trust me when I tell you I understand your frustration. We both now the PG manifold is easier to install because it is smaller and doens't have a true collecter...I've installed both! So let me get this straight, you want to manifold and you money back?

Matt, Every time you write, I reply. Unfortunately there are 2 other owners and a decision is made 3 ways. As it stands the bare minimum you will loose 180 for ceramic coating and a re stocking fee if we feel it can be sold as a damaged item. The manifold was test fitted on monday and it went in. So with 3 of us and a few different options open we are looking at it as a whole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:00:15 -0400 To: <sales@medievalllc.com> Subject: Re: pics Well I just need more communication man. The manifold got to you last thursday and you told me there would be a decision on tuesday, then on thursday (today). I'm not sure what needs to be decided. I got a part that was made wrong, and I sent you pictures proving so. I'm not sure what this "deciding" procedure is so that's why I'm continuing to be frustrated. If I don't get all or most (justifiably) of my money by the end of the week I'm gonna be forced to file a small claims case man. I really don't want it to come to that, but time is scarce and this is an open and shut case. Someone needs to be more communicative with me, I feel like I'm talking to 4 different people. Thanks, Matt -----Original Message----- From: sales@medievalllc.com To: buddyholly3122@aim.com Sent: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 2:53 pm Subject: Re: pics Matt, We are now waiting on Tay to bring his thoughts in. I have opted for a partial refund and since there are 3 of us I have to wait until all votes are in. Sorry for the delay, it will come soon. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:29:50 -0400 To: <sales@medievalllc.com> Subject: Re: pics I've been pretty patient the past week man, what's the word? MATT -----Original Message----- From: sales@medievalllc.com To: buddyholly3122@aim.com Sent: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 9:11 pm Subject: Re: Re: Re: pics We have a final word tomorrow. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:03:32 To: <sales@medievalllc.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: pics what's the word on this situation? -----Original Message----- From: sales@medievalllc.com To: buddyholly3122@aim.com Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 3:46 pm Subject: Re: Re: pics I will be back next week and the 3 of us owners will sit down and figure out the best way to handle this. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:44:53 To: <sales@medievalllc.com> Subject: Re: Re: pics did you get my last email? are you going to take care of this asap? -----Original Message----- From: sales@medievalllc.com To: buddyholly3122@aim.com Sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 4:42 pm Subject: Re: pics Matt, I'm out of town until monday. On tuesday the 3 of us here will sit down and go over it and what coarse we will take and how to refund. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------------------------------------ From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:39:55 -0400 To: <sales@medievalllc.com> Subject: Re: pics Hey man, I see the manifold arrived, should I expect a refund in the next couple of days? -----Original Message----- From: sales@medievalllc.com To: buddyholly3122@aim.com Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 4:01 pm Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: pics I know what you are looking for. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:59:12 To: <sales@medievalllc.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: pics well I don't think you will convince anyone to do that to their turbos. you understand I just want a refund and don't want to make it work right? I need to know that we're on the same page. matt -----Original Message----- From: sales@medievalllc.com To: buddyholly3122@aim.com Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 3:44 pm Subject: Re: Re: Re: pics Matt, We here are in the middle of making up a thread about the atp turbo. The casting flash is cut away with a band saw and not 2 are the same. This is not a huge deal as we are now going to release that if the runner hits the turbo that you will need to grind down the casting flash. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:40:32 To: <sales@medievalllc.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: pics like I said I had to bend the first runner which would have to be replaced anyway. I expect you t take that into consideration but I also expect to get most if not all of my money back. it should be there by next Thursday so should I plan on that? matt -----Original Message----- From: sales@medievalllc.com To: buddyholly3122@aim.com Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 3:25 pm Subject: Re: Re: pics Once I have the manifold ill look it over. Ill also look over the link sent to me about a post when I get it. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 1711 To: <sales@medievalllc.com> Subject: Re: Re: pics hey man the tracking # is 1zw122x60394317711. it should be there by next Thursday. when should I expect a refund ? matt -----Original Message----- From: sales@medievalllc.com To: buddyholly3122@aim.com Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:25 pm Subject: Re: pics 1304 redwood rd suit 110 saratoga springs utah 84045Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------------------------------------ From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 1458 -0400 To: <sales@medievalllc.com> Subject: Re: pics Can you send me the address that you're at? -----Original Message----- From: sales@medievalllc.com To: buddyholly3122@aim.com Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:26 am Subject: Re: pics We will work through it. We have received a few people emailing us already about your manifold. I have been on the phone with atp and now know why the manifold was hitting the turbo hot side. When they remove the hot side from the mold during casting they just cut the casting flash off with a band saw. This means the height will be different from one to another. I have made 24 production manifolds to date with yours being the only production one hitting. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------------------------------------ From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 1338 -0400 To: <sales@medievalllc.com> Subject: Re: pics Hey bud I opened a paypal dispute just due to how much money we're talking about here. I trust you100% that you'll refund my money, my I'm covering all angles just in case. I didn't want you to be surprised or offended. I'll close the dispute as soon as everything gets worked out. MAtt -----Original Message----- From: sales@medievalllc.com To: buddyholly3122@aim.com Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:12 pm Subject: RE: pics Matt, The AC high side line is in a different location on the Speed 3 than in the Speed 6. Your manifold was crossed with someone else's. We hired a few new guys and have had a few issues with getting them up to speed. The Speed 6 EWG tube is 2" shorter than the Speed 3. This is why you are having an issue with that. For this I'm truly sorry and will be handling this tomorrow with the guys in shipping. I understand your frustration now as I would be too. Please, give us another shot and let us send you the right manifold that fits the right way. The turn around time will be next week as I will spend my weekend fabbing a new one up and then driving it to Jethot on Tuesday to have them coat it. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: pics From: buddyholly3122@aim.com Date: Thu, May 21, 2009 8:58 pm To: sales@medievalllc.com 1st is runner hitting mani with gap between mani and turbo, 2nd is half of the bend needed to accomodate for 3071, 3rd is damage to turbo from forcing mani on, 4th and 5th are awful waste gate placement.

Check it out dude, here's a giant series of emails from the point that I sent the manifold back leading up to you understanding and AGREEING THAT I WANTED A REFUND. Are you kidding me? What are you so confused about there guy??????

EDITED: that series of emails went on longer. After that last email at the top I was in the dark for 12 days (yesterday).

[MTuning]

peace out

[badams118]

Originally Posted by MSP6COP The difference between Medieval and COBB is that COBB came back to these fucking boards and APOLOGIZED then made shit right.

Thank you for mentioning that. Comparing this situation to Cobb is way out of line, IMO. They should be left out of this thread.

[MedievalREP]

I'm not confused after reading that, thank you for sharing.

[glocK23]

Originally Posted by MedievalREP I'm not confused after reading that, thank you for sharing.

please get in contact with all of the other guys who requested a refund. please stop delaying the process, get it done, that's it, GET IT DONE.

No more "PM ME", no more "ILL GET WITH MEDIEVAL", MORE OF "GETTING IT DONE RIGHT NOW" and MORE OF "OK GUYS, REFUND COMING YOUR WAY!".

Enough with the prolonging bullshit.

Just Fucking Get It DONE!!!!

[triplejumper18]

Is there a forum that hasn't had major issues with Medieval?

[spiker98]

The flanges were warped before runners were even put on.
There is so much more to tell u guys. ugh

[Renzokuken]

Im surprised so many people still supported them after the first batches of broken motor mounts, and shitty, magical, indestructable bushings. I remember when an unnamed company had less major issues with their products, but most people on here were ready to burn them alive.

[Scatt Nasty]

MedievalREP this is directed towards you.

I told the guy at medieval through email I wanted a refund 3 times.

I said
"I recieved the manifold. But like Erich's, my head flange is slightly warped. There is no one local to me that can resurface headers, I drove around for 2 hours today to just about every machine shop in my town. I have no choice but to ask for a refund. How do I go about getting one ?"

He replied with "If you send it back we will resurface it."

I said "I do not wish for it to be resurfaced. I would like a refund. I am sending the manifold back to you."

He says "We will resurface the manifold and send it back. There will be no issues from there. During coating the temp is 500 degrees and is baked for just over an hour. The outter edges have warped on a few. We will resurface it and it will fit perfect. I will be coming to hollywood next month and if need be will help install yours and Phils while I'm there."

I say "I have already contacted my credit card company man. This stuff is unacceptable."

He says, which I thought was funny. "What is wrong with your manifold? The flange?"

I left a final email stating "he flange is warped. I have wasted too much time with this. The design is great, but the quality control is absolutely retarded. I have had problems with this entire transaction. Don't send me the manifold back please, I am using the tracking from when I send you the manifold as proof that I sent it back so I can get my refund. If you send it back I will still get the refund. You should resurface it and try to sell it by other means."


I wasn't a dick. I wasn't rude. The manifold is just how it was when I received it. I wasted time trying to find a machine shop, and I am done with this entire issue. I want my money back, and I will get it. I just have to provide proof that I sent it back, and then medieval has 30 days to refund me, or they will do the chargeback. It would be nice if they refunded me as soon as they got it so I wouldn't have to wait. That would clean the slate for me with them. If not, I will wait the 30 days.

The guys fabricator told him that the stainless head flange would warp in coating and in driving. He still opted to continue with the builds.
You guys getting new ones, if the flange warped in 500' degrees what the hell do you think it's gonna do when its absorbing all your exhaust. If it warps and you get a leak, have fun with that fire.

[toprock]

My bet is that Medieval doesn't have the money to give this guy his money back. Prolly spent that shit already.

[phillyb]

Originally Posted by toprock My bet is that Medieval doesn't have the money to give this guy his money back. Prolly spent that shit already.

haha, who knows...but this very well could be true and i wouldn't be that surprised either

[MSP6COP]

I left a final email stating "he flange is warped. I have wasted too much time with this. The design is great, but the quality control is absolutely retarded. I have had problems with this entire transaction. Don't send me the manifold back please, I am using the tracking from when I send you the manifold as proof that I sent it back so I can get my refund. If you send it back I will still get the refund. You should resurface it and try to sell it by other means."

These were my thoughts exactly. I was polite as I could be with these guys but I agree completely that they probably cannot afford the funds to give ANY of us refunds which is why I've redirected to exploit every action they make, whether it be good or bad. That series of emails I just posted shows how patient I really was. I still have MORE emails from before those and the most recent ones too.

[Mzspeed]

MSP6COP and Scatt Nasty, I feel your pain.

I received my manifold almost at the same time as MSP6COP and my personnal experience has been awful...here is the thread I created on mazda6club.com about it: Medieval manifold installed pictures - Mazda6 / Atenza

To make a long story short, despite many fitment problems (especially the AC line and EWG) and after 2 days of hard work, I did manage to install the manifold on my car. However, after starting the car and driving down the block, I found a major exhaust leak at the manifold/block. Spent another day trying to fix the leak and guess what...warped flange!!!

It is simply put the worst piece of shit I ever installed on my car.

I spent another afternoon taking it off the car and shipped it back to Myke at Darkstarmotorsports last Monday, June 15.

As for me, well since I bought the manifold from Darkstarmotorsports and not directly from Medieval, Myke has been really helpful and promised me a full refund as soon as he receives the manifold.

I really hope you guys can get your money back because I know that I would not want another one of those shitty manifolds. Took 2 days off from work, wasted I don't know how many hours, lost the shipping fees, etc..

I'll keep you guys posted.

[phillyb]

fuck everything. so when i finally get mine installed, i'ma have a leak too??!?1
hahaha. fuck my life

[glocK23]

Originally Posted by phaillyb fuck everything. so when i finally get mine installed, i'ma have a leak too??!?1 hahaha. fuck my life

phillyb, meet JB WELD

[94jedi]

honestly, if all their mani's flanges are warped, it's their Jig that is fucked up.

[Scatt Nasty]

Originally Posted by Mzspeed As for me, well since I bought the manifold from Darkstarmotorsports and not directly from Medieval, Myke has been really helpful and promised me a full refund as soon as he receives the manifold.

Hey Myke. I also ordered mine through Darkstar Motorsports. Does this mean that my refund process will be as smooth as this guys ? I can have that shit shipped to you today.

I would like to publicly apologize to Darkstar Motorsports. I initially ordered from them and not MEDIEVAL. I have been contacting medieval this entire time. I thought they were the same company lol. My mistake.

[Mzspeed]

Originally Posted by Scatt Nasty I would like to publicly apologize to Darkstar Motorsports. I initially ordered from them and not MEDIEVAL. I have been contacting medieval this entire time. I thought they were the same company lol. My mistake.

Definitely NOT the same company.
Myke from DarkstarMotorsports is a really nice guy, he always anwser emails and offers great customer service.

[phillyb]

i like myke

[Scatt Nasty]

I pm'd you darkstar.