HOLY FRIGGIN SMOKE(S)

[Death-From-A-Mile]

So I just finished installing my Corksport DP and what do my eyes see.....smoke. Lots of it, blueish white smoke. Smells like burnt oil of course. Just so you know I have the RP and full 3" exhaust. 15,000 miles on the car. This truly blows.....smoke. I am seriously pissed that such a simple part that on so many other cars is fine, isnt on the MS3. WTF is up with these seals. I knew going into it that there might be some smoke but I never expected there to be this much.

What do you guys think I should do? Go to the dealer as it is and hope for the best or put it back to stock(bboooooo) and mask the problem? I vote for just taking it in as it is and rolling the dice.

[Haltech]

Take it in as is. This problem is already well documented bro.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by Haltech Take it in as is. This problem is already well documented bro.

I dont know man. some of these dealers are some REAL assholes......

[aaronc7]

Yeah...i was a bit worried when I put mine on. I would take it in how it is, like he said it is a known problem. Hopefully they're understanding and aren't just out to screw you over or something. If they give you crap you could probably get Mazda N/A involved somehow too.

[aaronc7]

Oh yeah what if your build date?

[gsrtype1]

yeah some of them will look for ANY reason to say its yur fault, but it is a well documented prob. From what I read your seals are bad the cats just covers up the bad seals thats why alot of people who install the dp don't have this issue..

[Haltech]

I pour out a good amount of smoke just with the test pipe, so even that big ass cat on the stock dp cant hide all of it. I even got smoke with all of the cats, just not as often. I will give Mazda credit, their cats really do work when it comes to cleaning up the air

[gsrtype1]

hey haltech is it white-condensation smoke or blueish-oil smoke. if its blue..oil i heard the seals are bad. My freind has the dp and mp for months no smoke at all. at least I havent seen it and he said there isn't..

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by gsrtype1 hey haltech is it white-condensation smoke or blueish-oil smoke. if its blue..oil i heard the seals are bad. My freind has the dp and mp for months no smoke at all. at least I havent seen it and he said there isn't..

It is bluish, stinky, oil burning smoke, lol. I know my smoke bro, its definately fucked seals. You guys are the few lucky ones out there.

[aaronc7]

Originally Posted by Haltech It is bluish, stinky, oil burning smoke, lol. I know my smoke bro, its definately fucked seals. You guys are the few lucky ones out there.

build date??

[aaronc7]

I had some smoke before I did any mods really....but it was only after I would cruise on the highway for at least 10 mins or so...then when I would floor it getting off the highway or whatever I'd get a huge puff of smoke. I still do now (catless) it's just a little more lol. I think that's just some unburned fuel getting pushed out since we run so rich and it just collects in there overtime if don't floor it and push it out. At least thats why understanding of it, lol. Yesterday I floored it after driving for like an hour cruising and I got a loud POP!, I'm thinking it caught on fire and shot flames lol. I think we all get smoke like this it's just bad when you get it while idling all the time and its blueish in color

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by aaronc7 I had some smoke before I did any mods really....but it was only after I would cruise on the highway for at least 10 mins or so...then when I would floor it getting off the highway or whatever I'd get a huge puff of smoke. I still do now (catless) it's just a little more lol. I think that's just some unburned fuel getting pushed out since we run so rich and it just collects in there overtime if don't floor it and push it out. At least thats why understanding of it, lol. Yesterday I floored it after driving for like an hour cruising and I got a loud POP!, I'm thinking it caught on fire and shot flames lol. I think we all get smoke like this it's just bad when you get it while idling all the time and its blueish in color

Im pretty sure its an April 07 car.

[gsrtype1]

damm sorry to hear bro!! can't you debate under warrenty to get a knew one?

[Laloosh]

Its wierd how some of these turbos go...the only smoke i see is black or yellowish lol

[aaronc7]

weird, you'd think it be the first ones made or something that have problems. Mine's 2/07 no problems so far

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by aaronc7 weird, you'd think it be the first ones made or something that have problems. Mine's 2/07 no problems so far

Now you know your hit right? No amount of knocking on wood is gonna save your ass now......

[Laloosh]

don't mind phil, he doesnt get along with his car at the momment. Try next week when its dyno day. lol

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by Laloosh don't mind phil, he doesnt get along with his car at the momment. Try next week when its dyno day. lol

Me and my car need "Vehicular counseling".
We just don't see eye to eye anymore......

[Death-From-A-Mile]

Well I am gonna bring it in as is. Screw them if they wont do it because of an exhaust.

[aaronc7]

i said you'd think the earlier ones have problems, but that doesn't necessarily seem to be the case. Only time will tell I guess.

[TRU-BOOST]

your turbo is fine. put on a catch can and watch the smoke vanish.

[Death-From-A-Mile]

TRU BOOST show me where and how, I will give it a shot. Any links to instructions, its my first turbo car so I am not to familiar with those.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by IDRVSLO TRU BOOST show me where and how, I will give it a shot. Any links to instructions, its my first turbo car so I am not to familiar with those.

I should have something for you if you need something right away.

Now this will fix some smoking issues but not all of them. There are some truly bad turbos out there (we have seen them). I have 4 or 5 small catch cans sitting here that I could pop together really quick if need be. Let me know.

[TRU-BOOST]

buy yourself a good BAFFLED can and install it in line with the PCV and the intake manifold. while you are at it put a one way check valve in there too. the can will catch all that oil that gets sucked in under vacuum, and the chech valve will stop all the air that normaly leaks past the shitty PCV valve. there is a write up by WHOOSH on the 24/7 forum in the MS6 section.... i dont have time to hunt it down at the moment.

[oskinosmee]

I have a CS DP and stock exhaust and no smoke. If i get a test pipe will i see smoke.

[aaronc7]

Originally Posted by oskinosmee I have a CS DP and stock exhaust and no smoke. If i get a test pipe will i see smoke.

wont knwo until you try lol

[driver311]

Wont stop the oil I have sitting in my turbo outlet and intercooler pipe will it now? LOL

I dont understand that.

[TRU-BOOST]

Originally Posted by driver311 Wont stop the oil I have sitting in my turbo outlet and intercooler pipe will it now? LOL I dont understand that.

not if it is only on the outlet side. that indicates bad turbo seals. if the cai is wet on the inside especially by the PCV breather port, then yes it will help.
did that just start with the CS TBE ??
do you get smoke ?

[driver311]

very little smoke. its weird

[Death-From-A-Mile]

My catch can is installed and I will be posting pictures and results up tomorrow after I get a good drive out of it!

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by IDRVSLO My catch can is installed and I will be posting pictures and results up tomorrow after I get a good drive out of it!

Looking forward to the results!!

[whoosh@Realtune]

guys
TRU-BOOST is right on the money

just like many other mods, this may or may not cure some smoking but I can assure you 100%, that installing a catch can between the actual PCV and intake mani will cure oil in your intake tract and contamination / build up on your valves

there is another problem that has surfaced that TRU-BOOST mentioned: the fact that a check valve is needed in addtion to the baffled catch can.
Our OEM PCV valve leaks and causes excessive crank case pressure. I can't say what adverse affect that has on the MZR at this point in time but logically, it's not something you want.

The ideal set up (my set up)
is using a 90 degree fitting where the PCV valve currently resides
run your hose to the "INLET" side of the catch can.
Then install a heavy duty oneway or check valve on the "OUTLET" side of the catch can.
Then obviously run that hose back to the rear vacuum port of the intake manifold.

I'll post my test results in vid form of the leaky brand new PCV valve - it's bad, really bad

here are a few pics for those that haven't seen them.
I empty my catch can every weekend and get the same amount of fuelishoilywhitebrownstuff every time

[Haltech]

Can you be more specific on the check valve? Which one and where can we find it?

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by whoosh guys TRU-BOOST is right on the money just like many other mods, this may or may not cure some smoking but I can assure you 100%, that installing a catch can between the actual PCV and intake mani will cure oil in your intake tract and contamination / build up on your valves there is another problem that has surfaced that TRU-BOOST mentioned: the fact that a check valve is needed in addtion to the baffled catch can. Our OEM PCV valve leaks and causes excessive crank case pressure. I can't say what adverse affect that has on the MZR at this point in time but logically, it's not something you want. The ideal set up (my set up) is using a 90 degree fitting where the PCV valve currently resides run your hose to the "INLET" side of the catch can. Then install a heavy duty oneway or check valve on the "OUTLET" side of the catch can. Then obviously run that hose back to the rear vacuum port of the intake manifold. I'll post my test results in vid form of the leaky brand new PCV valve - it's bad, really bad here are a few pics for those that haven't seen them. I empty my catch can every weekend and get the same amount of fuelishoilywhitebrownstuff every time

We have the check valves, every just laughed at us on the other sites when we said we had them. Hmm, looks like some people are starting to get an idea of what they need.

[det_ms3]

[QUOTE=whoosh;7023]guys
TRU-BOOST is right on the money

just like many other mods, this may or may not cure some smoking but I can assure you 100%, that installing a catch can between the actual PCV and intake mani will cure oil in your intake tract and contamination / build up on your valves

there is another problem that has surfaced that TRU-BOOST mentioned: the fact that a check valve is needed in addtion to the baffled catch can.
Our OEM PCV valve leaks and causes excessive crank case pressure. I can't say what adverse affect that has on the MZR at this point in time but logically, it's not something you want.

The ideal set up (my set up)
is using a 90 degree fitting where the PCV valve currently resides
run your hose to the "INLET" side of the catch can.
Then install a heavy duty oneway or check valve on the "OUTLET" side of the catch can.
Then obviously run that hose back to the rear vacuum port of the intake manifold.

I'll post my test results in vid form of the leaky brand new PCV valve - it's bad, really bad

here are a few pics for those that haven't seen them.
I empty my catch can every weekend and get the same amount of fuelishoilywhitebrownstuff every time

dude thats kinda gross. it looks like your car is vomiting into that catch can.

[NYpest]

[ptperformance]

Well you already got the CC installed so IDRVSLO do you have an update for us?

[driver311]

I cant wait for the manifold and catch can. I looked in mine and its filled with oil. Lame.

[Haltech]

I need a price on the catch can setup John.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Haltech I need a price on the catch can setup John.

Working on it.