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I could easily see 18 psi only generating 3 PEAK psi, but look at the area under the curve. might have gained 30 or even 40 psi at 4000 rpm, but level off closer to stock on the top end. That happens if the turbo runs out of steam cause it's being overworked in the lower rpms. That's why I believe an EBC is better suited for this stock turbo. You can pretty much tell the turbo exactly how you want it to operate based on quite a few different variable parameters.

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Enough said laloosh and shucky have made their poins. Thanks guys.
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Originally Posted by gsrtype1 View Post
WRONG!! lol check the vid old buddy has sliiiicks!

YouTube - 08 Mazda speed 3 13.7 bone stock in the 1/4 mile
u need to educate ureself. Those are regular 16x7 wheel he pulled of a friends car. The tires were regular pos street tires. Seriously dude, when it comes to who ran what on these boards....dont try lol
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Originally Posted by Laloosh View Post
u need to educate ureself. Those are regular 16x7 wheel he pulled of a friends car. The tires were regular pos street tires. Seriously dude, when it comes to who ran what on these boards....dont try lol
dude come on those look like slicks to me... where they really off an oldsmobile..lol
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omg son look im on slicks 2 omg!
wait, or did i just run my buddies rsx wheels cause he was bitching the reason he couldnt get off the line was due to his tires. We swapped rims and i ran the same 60 on his wheels and tires. the car back then had an intake i think....and it was hot out lol

fast forward to around 3 min
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slicks or not driver 311 was definatly great at the track!!! back on topic...Chris didn't you say when you installed your mbc to 18psi you gained 25-30hp?
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so there I am done!! Hahahaha enough has been said and stated. And joe ur still a noob...
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the debate was on a 'bone stock' car would 18psi give 25-30whp. I dont think so.
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i only dynoed once, however bumping the boost up to 18 def nets you power, stock or not. how much power, who knows
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Originally Posted by shucky View Post
the debate was on a 'bone stock' car would 18psi give 25-30whp. I dont think so.
lets see what Chris "laloosh" also a great at the track thinks about it... he was like the first one to install bc
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darksun dynoed 240ish stock and 290 with an intake and bc running like 21 psi or something....i was never boost happy so i cant really tell you how the car reacts above 21 psi
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Originally Posted by Laloosh View Post
i only dynoed once, however bumping the boost up to 18 def nets you power, stock or not. how much power, who knows
you said after your install that you thought you netted "25-30hp easy" if i remeber correctly??? would you say that you got only 3hp? or 20-30?
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Who cares lol... I dont think it will give 25-30whp but I also dont think 3 whp is reasonable assumption either. How about somewhere in between?
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Originally Posted by shucky View Post
the debate was on a 'bone stock' car would 18psi give 25-30whp. I dont think so.
yes it was... Then I told him my friend dynod his car and only showed a 3whp and 9ft lbs gain and he said that is no way possisble...

but oh well a dyno proved it for me. And like I said before.. If he shows me a dyno I'd believe him. But now he's still that noob in my book
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25-30whp is stupid amount.. And if this was true wouldn't people just be running mbc? Lmfao!!
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Originally Posted by Buildabong View Post
25-30whp is stupid amount.. And if this was true wouldn't people just be running mbc? Lmfao!!
that what chris laloosh said he gained..lol and i personally feel an increase from my own car going from 15.6 psi to 18psi is ATLEAST 25HP..even if stock..
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joe u even said that u gained psi when I sold u that turboxs bov...
NO!!!! YOIU SAID THAT AND I CORRECTED YOU AND TOLD YOU YOUR HOLDING BOOST BETTER!!!.. you do "gain" boost that was previsouly lost..
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18psi IS good for 20-30hp on a speed3 not 3hp.. this is my opinion and others..if Chirs didn't say that he would have spoke up...lol SO he did say that...
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lmfao u are a surefire nub. Have u seen a dyno with just a mbc? Have u? If so like I said before so proof then I will believe u. But u even told me in a text message u didnt have proof so what do I believe word of mouth or paper with numbers?
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when we hit the dyno i'll set the standback to 15.6 do a run and then 18.0 and we will see the diff..
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u still newb!!..lol
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unplug ur wastegate and go to the dyno. it will solve your arguements
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yeah so what the point?
my point is why would i believe you, the person who said u gained psi from a BOV to someother person that knows exactly what they are talking about....?
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unplug ur wastegate and go to the dyno. it will solve your arguements
LMFAO!!! wouldnt that make me have no more turbo...?
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my point is why would i believe you, the person who said u gained psi from a BOV to someother person that knows exactly what they are talking about....?
you also a newb cuase you think a high performace bov-bpv doesn't hold boost better..lol!!!
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i never said it dont hold boost better... i said it doesnt make u GAIN BOOST.... which you told me it did after i sold it to u.. i had to get rid of it because it was junk with out the recir... VTA aint ment for this car..
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LMFAO!!! wouldnt that make me have no more turbo...?
try no more motor

i just love how you guys are arguing over psi and power. i havent commented because its fun to watch you guys bicker. it all comes down to this turbo being small and not going over 19psi anyway...sure spike to 23 or 24 so you can hold 18 or 19 (that spike is still not great for the turbo) but w/e...i can raise my boost 10 psi and make less power...all i have to do is dump fuel and pull timing... the amount of power you make per psi is a variable number that relies on way to many things to make a blanket statement that you will make 10whp per psi. on a cold day you will make more than on a hot day because you are compressing denser colder air. thats just one example. so guys seriously...you kinda both sound noobish
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gaaaahahaha im down!!!! lets do it! =) then that gives me a reason to rebuild or buy a new one just like an SRT4!!
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Originally Posted by Buildabong View Post
i never said it dont hold boost better... i said it doesnt make u GAIN BOOST.... which you told me it did after i sold it to u.. i had to get rid of it because it was junk with out the recir... VTA aint ment for this car..
it is if you have the standback and alot of people run vta really doesn't do much especiily ifyr catless u only run rich between shifts... OMG BS!!!! Your the one who said you gain boost!!! IM the one who told you it holds boost that was previously lost from chepo bpv!!!! u where even more of a NEWB back then lol!!!
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about a year ago i did some motor work a lil tipsy and forgot to supply my wastegate a pressure source and hit 26lbs with my gt35r on pump gas. needless to say thank god i have a built motor. i looked like a skywriting plane on the 1/4mile drive back to my shop...the head gasket popped since the motor is built and i could wrote things for people in planes flying over me to see...but instead i just pulled the head and replaced the gasket...god that day was long haha
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LOL I THE ONE WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOU HOLD BOOST BBETTER!!! Your the one who said you gain boost!!!! NEWB EXTREME!!!!!
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I dont see what peoples fascination in running VTA is. Its gay, its ricer and it goes AGAINST the cars design. We use RECIRC for a reason and it you plan on making ANY safe power, your ass better just stick to the design.

19 psi is about as high as you are going to go with making power. You are already adding more heat to the impractical stock IC as is. Even the ETS cant hold its own against a FMIC. If you have a nice FMIC, than a 20 psi boost level may benefit you more.
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LOL I THE ONE WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOU HOLD BOOST BBETTER!!! Your the one who said you gain boost!!!! NEWB EXTREME!!!!!
how could u even remember this stuff? half the time you call me or text me you are drunk? you are probably drunk right now.. and IM the one that told YOU it HELD boost better then the stock one because the STOCK BPV was GARBAGE and LEAKED under HIGH PRESSURE!!

god joe you are retarded.......
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about a year ago i did some motor work a lil tipsy and forgot to supply my wastegate a pressure source and hit 26lbs with my gt35r on pump gas. needless to say thank god i have a built motor. i looked like a skywriting plane on the 1/4mile drive back to my shop...the head gasket popped since the motor is built and i could wrote things for people in planes flying over me to see...but instead i just pulled the head and replaced the gasket...god that day was long haha
eeek! i would have shatted my pants if i was u.. but then again lucky u had the built motor!! i seen on PG they have a fully built engine.. i wanna get it for my wifes car =D
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you do "gain" boost that was previously lost...
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how could u even remember this stuff? half the time you call me or text me you are drunk? you are probably drunk right now.. and IM the one that told YOU it HELD boost better then the stock one because the STOCK BPV was GARBAGE and LEAKED under HIGH PRESSURE!!

god joe you are retarded.......
i remeber we got into an argument about that!!! now you turning it around!!lol
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yeah you gain it.. but you DONT GAIN EXTRA BOOST YOU NEVER HAD... hence what you said about gaining 19psi and holding it..... when you had your STANDBACK set at 17.8psi.. so ither you are lying trying to act cool or just full of shit
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